Meat, veggie or both?

Discussion in 'The Hip Polls' started by pushit, Feb 26, 2008.

  1. wa bluska wica

    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    herbi

    just got done with my usual lentil tomato curry over rice

    [me ital me vital]

    happy spicey happy
     
  2. JDubs

    JDubs Member

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    I'm a vegetarian, and I love it.

    But in a survival situation, I would eat meat if I had too.
     
  3. klaymer

    klaymer Member

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    Omnivore
    I do eat meat, maybe one small portion a day or every second day. I'm trying to eat less and less of it.
     
  4. dready_kolo

    dready_kolo Banned

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  5. wa bluska wica

    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    does eating your cuticles and other odd bits of skin count?

    [gotta get that b12 somehow]
     
  6. Freekowtski

    Freekowtski Member

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    i'd rather choose green food than anything else, i hate the way human beings treat animals for their benefit... it scares me...but i also eat meat and fish... so i consider myself omnivore... that sounds hypocrite, i know...
     
  7. Bilby

    Bilby Lifetime Supporter and Freerangertarian Super Moderator

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    How about freerangertarian?
     
  8. GLENGLEN

    GLENGLEN Banned

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    HA.HA..Trust An Aussie To Come Up With That.....[​IMG]


    Cheers Mate,

    Glen...[​IMG]
     
  9. zilla939

    zilla939 Thought Police Lifetime Supporter

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    beautifully put.
    i agree
    but i still eat fish, it's the only meat that makes me feel good.
    love dem omega-3's
     
  10. LittleFlowerChild

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    i have been a vegeterian since november so that would be 5 months but when i was 12 i went for a year and a half, i just woke up one night and ate a hot dog and got violently sick i felt like i was going to die and i agree with everything soaring eagle says you sir are one of the smartest people i have had the privelage to listen to thank you for your wisdom
    oh little boy you know i could love you, but first i must make my get away!
     
  11. Wysteria

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    I've been veggie since about two years ago. I've helped the rest of my family (husband, and children) to convert over. So we're all veggie now :D not only are we a little healthier from having less crap that the government puts in our food in our bodies (growth hormones and the like), my husband has lost almost a hundred pounds and our children are more energetic AND we're helping not make so many greenhouse gasses and we're also saving thousands of animals a year from needless slaughter. So... VEGGIE! lol
     
  12. PsyGrunge

    PsyGrunge Full Fractal Force

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    This man speaks words of wisdom.
     
  13. twiztidrainbow

    twiztidrainbow Senior Member

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    Mainly veggies; but I try to eat as much meat (chicken) as I can.
     
  14. Meifeng488

    Meifeng488 Member

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    i only eat meat at dinner but soon ill exclude that from my diet too
    then slowly ill rip out dairy products :beatdeadhorse5: :hat:
     
  15. DaveHT

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    I'll eat anything except mushrooms, ham and eggs.
     
  16. Meifeng488

    Meifeng488 Member

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    ....whats wrong with mushrooms???:eek:
     
  17. snake_grass

    snake_grass Senior Member

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    i like all of it
     
  18. HushBull

    HushBull Insuperior

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    Flexitarian here...
     
  19. woodsman

    woodsman Senior Member

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    The more meat the better.
     
  20. hahamatt

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    Human population of United States: 243,000,000 (not this year obviously)

    Number of Human beings who could be fed by the grain and soybeans eaten by U. S. livestock: 1,300,000,000

    Sacred food of Native Americans: Corn

    Percentage of corn grown in United States eaten by human beings: 20

    Percentage of corn grown in United States eaten by livestock: 80

    Percentage of oats grown in United States eaten by livestock: 95

    Percentage of protein wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 90

    Percentage of carbohydrate wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 99

    Percentage of dietary fibre wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 100

    How frequently a child dies of starvation: Every 2 seconds

    Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on 1 acre of land: 20,000

    Pounds of beef that can be produced on 1 acre of land: 165

    Percentage of U.S. agricultural land used to produce beef: 56

    Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce 1 pound of feedlot beef: 16

    Pounds of protein fed to chickens to produce 1 pound of protein as chicken flesh: 5 pounds

    Pounds of protein fed to hogs to produce 1 pound of protein as hog flesh: 7.5 pounds

    Number of children who starve to death every day: 40,000

    Number of pure vegetarians who can be fed on the amount of land needed to feed 1 person consuming meat-based diet: 20

    Number of people who will starve to death this year: 60,000,000

    Number of people who could be adequately fed by the grain saved if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10%: 60,000,000



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    Historic cause of demise of many great civilisations: Topsoil depletion

    Percentage of original U.S. topsoil lost to date: 75

    Amount of U.S. cropland lost each year to soil erosion: 4,000,000 acres (size of Connecticut)

    Percentage of U.S. topsoil loss directly associated with livestock raising: 85

    Number of acres of U.S. forest which have been cleared to create cropland to produce a meat-centred diet: 260,000,000

    How often an acre of U.S. trees disappears: Every 8 seconds

    Amount of trees spared per year by each individual who switches to a pure vegetarian diet: 1 acre

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    A driving force behind the destruction of the tropical rainforests: American meat habit

    Amount of meat imported annually by U.S. from Costa Rica, El Salvador,

    Guatemala, Nicaragua, Honduras and Panama: Less than the average American housecat

    Current rate of species extinction due to destruction of tropical rainforests and related habitats: 1000/year

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    User of more than half of all water used for all purposes in the United States: Livestock production

    Quantity of water used in the production of the average cow sufficient to: float a destroyer

    Water needed to produce 1 pound of wheat: 25 gallons

    Water needed to produce 1 pound of meat: 2,500 gallons

    Cost of common hamburger meat if water used by meat industry was not subsidised by U.S. taxpayers: $35/pound

    Current cost for pound of protein from wheat: $1.50

    Current cost for pound of protein from beefsteak: $15.40

    Cost for pound of protein from beefsteak if U.S. taxpayers ceased subsidising meat industry's use of water: $89

    Length of time world's petroleum reserves would last if all human beings ate meat-centred diet: 13 years

    Length of time world's petroleum reserves would last if all human beings ate vegetarian diet: 260 years

    Principal reason for U.S. military intervention in Persian Gulf:

    Dependence on foreign oil: Barrels of oil imported daily by U.S.: 6,800,000

    Percentage of energy return (as food energy per fossil energy expended) of most energy efficient farming of meat: 34.5%

    Percentage of energy return (as food energy per fossil energy expended) of least energy efficient plant food: 328%

    Pounds of soybeans produced by the amount of fossil fuel needed to produce 1 pound of feedlot beef: 40

    Percentage of raw materials consumed in U.S. for all purposes presently consumed to produce current meat-centred diet: 33

    Percentage of raw materials consumed in U.S. for all purposes needed to produce fully vegetarian diet: 2

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    Production of excrement by total U.S. human population: 12,000 lbs./sec

    Production of excrement by U.S. Livestock: 250,000 pounds/second

    Sewage systems in U.S. cities: Common

    Sewage systems in U.S. feedlots: Nil

    Amount of waste produced annually by U.S. livestock in confinement operations which is not recycled: 1 billion tons

    Relative concentration of feedlot wastes compared to raw domestic sewage: Ten to several hundred times more highly concentrated

    Where feedlot waste often ends up: In our water

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    Number of U.S. medical schools: 125

    Number of U.S. medical schools with a required course in nutrition: 30

    Training in nutrition received during 4 years of medical school by average U.S. physician: 2.5 hours

    How frequently a heart attack strikes in U.S.: Every 25 seconds

    How frequently a heart attack kills in U.S.: Every 45 seconds

    Most common cause of death in U.S.: Heart attack

    Risk of death from heart attack by average American man: 50%

    Risk of death from heart attack by average American vegetarian man: 15%

    Risk of death from heart attack by average American purely vegetarian man: 4%

    Amount you reduce your risk of heart attack by reducing your consumption of meat, dairy products and eggs 10%: 9%

    Amount you reduce your risk of heart attack by reducing your consumption of meat, dairy products and eggs 50%: 45%

    Amount you reduce your risk of heart attack by reducing your consumption of meat, dairy products and eggs 100%: 90%

    Rise in blood cholesterol from consuming 1 egg per day: 12%

    Rise in heart attack risk from 12% rise in blood cholesterol: 24%

    Meat, dairy and egg industries claim there is no reason to be concerned about your blood cholesterol as long as it is: "normal"

    Your risk of dying a disease caused by clogged arteries if your blood cholesterol is "normal": over 50%

    Your risk of dying of a disease caused by clogged arteries if you do not consume saturated fat and cholesterol: 5%

    Leading sources of saturated fat and cholesterol in American diets: Meat, dairy products and eggs

    Hollywood celebrity paid by Meat Board to tout beef as "Real food for real people": James Garner

    Medical event experienced by James Garner in April, 1988: Quintuple coronary artery bypass surgery

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    World populations with high meat intakes who do not have correspondingly high rates of colon cancer: None

    World populations with low meat intakes who do not have correspondingly low rates of colon cancer: None

    Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat daily compared to women who eat meat less than once a week: 4 times higher

    Egg Board's advertising slogan: The incredible edible egg

    Photographs often accompanying the egg board's slogan:

    Young women in bathing suits, emphasising the shape of their breasts

    Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat eggs daily compared to women who eat eggs less than once a week: 3 times higher

    Milk Producer's original ad campaign slogan: "Everyone needs milk."

    What the Federal Trade Commission called the "Everyone needs milk" slogan: "False, misleading and deceptive"

    Milk Producer's revised campaign slogan: "Milk has something for everybody."

    Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat butter and cheese 3 or more times a week compared to women who eat these foods less than once a week: 3 times higher

    Part of female chicken's body that produces eggs: Ovaries

    Increased risk of fatal ovarian cancer for women who eat eggs 3 or more times a week compared to women who eat eggs less than once a week: 3 times higher

    Foods males in U.S. are conditioned to think of as "manly": Animal products

    Increased risk of fatal prostate cancer for men who consume meats, cheese, eggs and milk daily compared to men who eat these foods sparingly or not at all: 3.6 times higher

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    The Meat Board tells us: "Today's meats are low in fat."

    The Meat Board shows us: A serving of beef they claim has "only 300 calories".

    The Meat Board doesn't tell us: The serving of beef they show us is only 3 ounces (half the size of an average serving of beef) and has been surgically defatted with a scalpel.

    The dairy industry tells us: Whole milk is 3.5% fat.

    The dairy industry doesn't tell us: That 3.5% figure is based on weight and most of the weight in milk is water.

    The dairy industry doesn't want us to know: The amount of calories as fat in whole milk is 50%.

    Oscar Mayer tells us: It is a "myth" that hot dogs are fatty.

    Oscar Mayer demonstrates their point favourably comparing the fattiness of hot dogs to such low fat bastions as: Margarine, mayonnaise, salad dressing and cream cheese.

    The Dairy Council tells us: Milk is nature's most perfect food.

    The Dairy Council doesn't tell us: Milk is nature's most perfect food for a baby calf, who has four stomachs, will double its weight in 47 days, and is destined to weigh 300 pounds within a year.

    The Dairy Council tells children: To grow up big and strong drink lots of milk.

    The Dairy Council occasionally tells children: The enzyme necessary for digestion of milk is lactase.

    The Dairy Council never tells children: 20% of Caucasian children and 80% of Black children have no lactase in their intestines.

    The meat, dairy and egg industries tell us: Animal products constitute 2 of the "Basic 4" food groups.

    The meat, dairy and egg industries don't tell us: There were originally 12 official basic food groups, before these industries applied enormous political pressure on behalf of their products.

    The meat, dairy, and egg industries tell us: We are well-fed only with animal products.

    The meat, dairy, and egg industries don't tell us: The diseases which are commonly prevented, consistently improved, and sometimes cured by a low-fat vegetarian diet include:

    Strokes Heart disease Osteoporosis Kidney Stones

    Breast cancer Colon cancer Prostate cancer Pancreatic cancer

    Ovarian cancer Cervical cancer Stomach cancer Endometrial cancer

    Diabetes Hypoglycaemia Kidney disease Peptic ulcers

    Constipation Haemorrhoids Hiatal hernias Diverticulosis

    Obesity Gallstones Hypertension Asthma

    Irritable colon syndrome Salmonellosis Trichinosis



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    Chlorinated hydrocarbon pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by meat: 55%

    Supplied by Dairy products: 23%

    Supplied by vegetables: 6%

    Supplied by fruits: 4%

    Supplied by grains: 1%

    Percentage of U.S. mother's milk containing significant levels of DDT: 99%

    Percentage of U.S. vegetarian mother's milk containing significant levels of DDT: 8%

    Relative pesticide contamination in breast milk of meat-eating mothers compared to pesticide contamination in breast milk of vegetarian mothers: 35 times as high

    Percentage of male college students sterile in 1950: .5

    Percentage of male college students sterile in 1978: 25

    Sperm count of average American male compared to 30 years ago: Down 30%

    Principle reason for sterility and sperm count reduction of U.S. males:

    Chlorinated hydrocarbon pesticides (including dioxin, DDT, etc.)

    Percentage of hydrocarbon pesticide residues in American diet attributable

    to meats, dairy products, fish and eggs: 94%

    The Meat Board tells us Not to be concerned about the dioxins and other pesticides in today's beef because: the quantities are so small

    The Meat Board doesn't want us to know: How potent dioxin and other pesticides are

    The Meat Board particularly doesn't want us to know: A mere ounce of dioxin could kill 10 million people

    The USDA tells us: Our meat is inspected

    The USDA doesn't tell us: Less than 1 out of every quarter million slaughtered animals is tested for toxic chemical residues

    The dye used for many years by the USDA for many years to stamp meats "Choice", "Prime", or "U.S. No. 1 USDA": Violet dye No. 1

    Current status of Violet Dye No. 1: Banned as proven carcinogen

    Wingspan of average Leghorn chicken: 26 inches

    Space average leghorn chicken given in egg factories: 6 inches

    Number of 700 plus pound pigs confined to space the size of a twin bed in typical factory farm: 3

    Reason today's veal is so tender: Calves never allowed to take a single step

    Reason today's veal is whitish-pink: Calves force fed on anaemia producing diet

    McDonald's brags: 60 Billion sold

    McDonald's doesn't brag about: 50 million butchered

    McDonald's clown, Ronald McDonald, tells children: Hamburgers grow in hamburger patches and love to be eaten.

    McDonald's clown, Ronald McDonald, doesn't tell children:

    Hamburgers are ground up cows who've had their throats slit by machetes or their brains bashed in by sledgehammers.

    Original actor to play Ronald McDonald: Jeff Juliano

    Diet now followed by Jeff Juliano: Vegetarian

    Number of animals killed for meat per hour in U.S.: 500,000

    Occupation with highest turnover rate in U.S.: Slaughterhouse worker

    Occupation with highest employee rate of injury in U.S.: Slaughter-house worker

    Cost to render an animal unconscious prior to slaughter with captive bolt pistol so that process is done humanely: 1 penny Reason given by meat industry for not utilising captive bolt pistol:

    Too expensive

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    Percentage of total antibiotics used in U.S. fed routinely to livestock: 55

    Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in 1960: 13

    Percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin in 1988: 91

    Reason: Breeding of antibiotic resistant bacteria in factory farms due to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock

    Effectiveness of all "wonder-drug" antibiotics: Declining rapidly

    Reason: Breeding of antibiotic resistant bacteria in factory farms due to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock

    Response by entire European Economic Community to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: Ban

    Response by American meat and pharmaceutical industries to routine feeding of antibiotics to livestock: Full and complete support

    Only man to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time winner)

    Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian

    World record holder for 24 triathlon (Swim 4.8 miles, Cycle 185 miles, Run 52.5): Sixto Linares

    Food choices of Sixto Linares: Strict vegetarian

    Athlete who most totally dominated Olympic sport in track and field history: Edwin Moses (undefeated in 8 years, 400 meter hurdles)

    Food choices of Edwin Moses: Vegetarian

    Other notable vegetarian athletes:

    * Stan Price (World record-bench press)

    * Robert Sweetgall (World's premier ultra-distance walker)

    * Paavo Nurmi (20 World's records in distance running, 9 Olympic medals)

    * Bill Pickering (World record - swimming English Channel)

    * Murray Rose (World records - 400 and 1500 meter freestyles)

    * Andreas Cahling (Winner - Mr. International body-building championships)

    * Roy Hilligan (Winner - Mr. America body-building championships)

    * Pierro Verot (World's record for downhill endurance skiing)

    * Estelle Gray and Cheryl Marek (World's record for cross-country tandem cycling)

    * James and Johnathon deDonato (World's record for distance butterfly stroke swimming)

    * Ridgely Abele (Winner of 8 national championships in Karate, including U.S. Karate Association World Championships)

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