Martial Arts

Judo and Ju Jitsu 'spelling?', are two that are unoffensive, effective, forms of Martial Arts that I like.
They teach how to redirect an attackers energy from hurting you. Wrestling is very good too, and I feel a good wrestler will always beat a good striker.

 

Heh, if you wanna talk about grappling versus striking go to sherdog.com there are always some people arguing about it, and I don't get involved cause its a dumb discusion. (no offense)

Like I said earlier, to look at effeiciency of a martial art, look at MMA. For a few years the heavyweight ranks of the UFC were mostly dominated by strong grapplers, while PRIDE remained more even, but all the UFC really had were the freakin' Gracie's, and the Shamrock's and a few other top grapplers who all sorta flocked to MMA because there was nowhere else for Grapplers to make much money at the time *besides pro wrestling, and the olympics* while boxers and kickboxers had many other venues open.

But thats past now, and PRIDE, UFC and PANCRASE or whatever it is heavyweight champs are all Thai Boxers,as well as the PRIDE midweight champ. those are just the ones I know... I dunno bout the other weight classes (they dont come on tv much)

But it doesn't matter, a true fighter must be profecient in both. A kickboxer might be taken to the ground, and a grappler doesn't know how easy its going to be to get someone on the ground.

Judo is a sport of throws, and jiu jitsu and wrestling are sports of ground fighting... but having taken a few judo classes and knowing how it actually works, you need to have some punches or something to set up a throw. In that sense most Judo fighters, trained in elaborate throws, just end up tackling like wrestlers in real fights. Muay Thai has a flawless counter for a tacle that devastates an opponent, a knee to the face as the tackle is comming in.

wresling and jiu jiutsu aren't unoffesive... they're hyper offensive, all you learn are chokes and how to pull on someones limbs till they break. I've seen more people wounded in a Brazillian Jiu Jitsu class then ever in boxing.

 

I'd definatly take Catch Wrestling over Tae Kwon Do... the kciks and punches are restricted and porrly taught, especially the kicks... a flashy spinning kick that you can see from a mile away isn't going to be nearly as effectifve as a hook kick to the kidney which is close to unblockable if you aren't trained. The boxing in TKD is pretty bad too.

I've had 3 fights in amateur MMA with BJJ fighters and one aginst a catch wrestler, and only one of the BJJ guys got me on the ground, and he did win from there. (That was before I had taken some classes in BJJ, now that I know a little bit, I think I coulda gotten myself out before the the front mount to arm bar. ) All the other fights I won because I was able to stay in my element, I saw them comming and side steped and leg kicked, or threw them to the side or kneed in the face as they were charging my stomach.

Even most grapplers would be hesitant to get on his back in a street fight... you never know when your going to get a shard of glass in the back of your neck.

But either way a fighter must know how to strike and grapple, I'm really light on my feet, I'm only 160 pounds but I'm really hard to take down, But I also realise that I need to know what to do while if I get on my back.

I've taken BJJ for 5 or 6 months, *bout twenty five classes* I'm not an expert by any means, but I am much much more comforatable on the ground then before.

Like you said, most street fights end quick... and I can get outta a lotta things by a jab to the nose *that takes away a lotta peoples will to fight* And I'd much rather do that then waste the effort getting them down and doing a straight arm bar.

If not I'm still very good on my feet, and hard to knock on the ground.

Grappling classes are usually a lot more painfull then striking classes *especially TKD * because people can wear pads, and you can do a lotta work on your finesse and speed with bag work in striking classes, grappling you always need an opponenet, and in the begging before people learn how much force to apply, people can end up hurt a lot.

In Muay Thai you usually wear pads for sparring so nobody gets hurt before a match. Sometimes we full spar for the hell of it though.

No points matches in Muay Thai. Some matches are scored like boxing, sometimes its nobody wins without a KO.

MMA's the best though, you can end up fighting a boxer or a wrestler or someone whosd good at both.

I weigh 160 pounds... but I'm pretty sure I can outrun 'em.

Handguns are great too.

 

Awesome, Muay Thai is incredibly effecient, but there are some philosophical aspects to it too, its rich in Buddhist history and practice,but it places the martial art first.

I think your talking about Hapkido, (maybe TKD) I don't really know much about it, I'll link a little something about it.

It sounds kinda cool, but its apparently much like Aikdo, which I like too, but in terms of pracitcal self defense its very ineffective.

I can't think of any real life applications to it, 'cept a cool party trick.

http://www.fightauthority.com/martial-arts-styles.php4?styleID=6

 

im definately gonna have to look around for some muay thai when i get to uni.. although i think ill still do tkd as well, just for the love of it.. also flashyness does have one good quality, that ive already used this year..

as most people here would agree, its always better to avoid the fight completely, rather than just devastate the guy attacking you..
over the last year there was a guy who was constantly provoking me into a fight, and i was pretty sure i could take him down with ease, but i just didnt want to. one day we got stuck in a same gym class and me and my mate were just semi-sparring.. more like me just doing very fast and flashy kicks and my mate blocking them with a pad.. needless to say after that hour he just stayed clear of me.. even if i hadnt had any proper training, just the pure look of the kicks scared the guy off from fighting me.. so thats a good defence in my book..

but anyways.. where i live there isnt much option on getting decent training.. but my uni is the middle of my countrys capital and they have many martial arts clubs at the uni itself (with there respective classes).. so i should have a lot of options.. and ill have 6years so ill hopefully take a bunch in.. im really hoping therell be some sort of wrestling/grapling class somewhere down there too as ive always had a love for that but NZ isnt much of a wrestling country...

 

ok.. heres the clubs/training for martial arts at my uni next year..

aikido
boxing
ju jitsu
karate- goju ryu karate
karate- kyokushin karate
kendo
kickboxing- went onto their site and their focus mainly on muay thai :H
ninjitsu
tae kwon do
and an internation tae kwon do club..
and also a sword club, but yeah..

so ive got my tkd for the love, muay thai for practical (unless i find i dont like it..).. might have to get aikido a shot at some stage too.. and then look around the city for some sort of wrestling.. unless aikido or ju jitsu have grapling based in them.. i cant really remember..

just looked at some of their sites... the aikido one doesnt say anything at all.. but the jujitsu one looks pretty good.. might go with tkd and jujitsu for the first year atleast and take up kickboxing a bit later.. ah well ill see what i like anyways..

 

wresling and jiu jiutsu aren't unoffesive... they're hyper offensive, all you learn are chokes and how to pull on someones limbs till they break. I've seen more people wounded in a Brazillian Jiu Jitsu class then ever in boxing. lodui


I did not mean to include wrestling. Judo is taught in many self defense courses. I meant that jiu jiutsu and judo are, as far as I was aware, are defense arts. The way I understand it they are not to be used for anything other than self defense. Please correct me if I am wrong about that.
I do know that they are very capable of causing injury. They are dangerous, and an effective means of protecting yourself.
I can only say that in my own personal experience, good wrestlers seem to beat good strikers. That may not be the case for others. 15 years ago, I used to watch the UFC, but not since then.
hope that makes more sense

 

Thats pretty diverse... Kyokushin Karate is also a devastating striking art.

Jiu Jitsu is completly grappling, and IMHO is one of the best grappling arts. Aikido looks kinda cool, but then again not too fucntional.

They all look good, they're a lot more diverse then I'd have thought. I'd avoid the ninja class though... in reality ninjas fought by sneaking around and stabbing people in the back... they were master assasins.

But I don't think they really teach you that in Ninjitsu classes.

 

Judo is composed primarially of throws and would benifit a wrestler or Jui Jitsuist.

Wrestling and Jui Jitsu are really similar... I think in lots of Judo and Jui Jitsu classes they talk about never using it for anything other then self defense, kinda like Karate... but that doesn't really mean that much.

I've taken some Brazillian Jui Jitsu and never heard anything about it.

I understand, for a while the UFC was heavily dominated by strong grapplers, its more equal now... I'd say the fighter is more important then the art though, and I'd take a well balenced fighter over a strong grapler or a strong striker.

 

thanks,

and I agree, I think, I would always bet on the person with more heart.
the one who wants it more.
I am no expert, but I would call an art non offensive if it teaches mostly counter moves, and does not teach many attacking moves.

 

Excellent and well supported post, meagain. Bill 'superfoot'? Wallace, I think his nickname was.
I also like the quote you put near the end regarding the higher likelihood or greater potential for the non-injurious conclusion of an altercation grappling provides.
I have seen some Police force self-defense manuals, and the strikes that are shown in them are very devestating if successful. The holds are not necessarily so harmful, but can be if they are resisted and then applied more vigorously.

I agree the avoidance of violence is the most important thing to remember, and then the verbal resolution of disputes and prevention of violence is the course of action to follow as far as possible. Mediation and compromise are far more worthy goals than physical violence.

ps, raw meat is easier to digest, and contains more undamaged protein than cooked meat.

 

*completely offtopic*

Lodui.. did I ever tell you I love you?

 

Velvet, beautiful, whats shakin?

How've 'ya been?

I haven't been around lately, I've been chilling in San Antonio and have been minus the internet for a while. Its great to see 'you around. I bet The Netherlands is pretty freakin' cold this time of year.

 

yeah .. it is pretttty cold here.. but somehow there is this lovely feeling of Spring in the air.. Good to have you back, always a pleasure to see you 'round