male abortion rights

Men that dip there stick have no right to deny fatherhood. You don't have the right to deny fatherhood, your little sperm created a life. Own up. Or aren't you real men. Yuck it up in the locker rooms, but be aware your sperm is every bit as much a part of that baby as the woman's egg. You want equality...earn it.

 

In cases like this I always wonder how these baby making running off dads would feel if they're own father did the same. (in some cases he did)

It's that treat others how you would want to be treated kinda thing. Even if your daddy left you, wouldn't you want to be a bigger man than the man who couldn't even be there for you? I mean really.

 

Why at sixteen did you have sex? Because all your friends were? You can live without sex, you can't live without breathing, and I'll bet your first experience at sixteen wasn't all that great.

In many states having sex with a sixteen year old will wind you up in jail.

 

You know what stopped me from screwing around until I was eighteen and out of my parent's home...respect for my parents. Guess you guys don't know about that anymore.

I respected my mom, and always in the back of mind was what if mom found out...guess you folks don't thnk that way anymore.

If you don't then you have to take the repsonsibility for creating life. And that includes child support. Your dick doesn't give you a free pass.

 

no it wasn't.

If you want to know the reasons I did it is because the movies made it look like it was the greastest thing ever!!! So when I had my first steady boyfriend I wanted to know what was so great about it. (had nothing to do with my friends)And it was the hugest disappointment I ever had!!! If your take your finger and rub it in your armpit, thats what it felt like!! It sucked.

And yes you can live without sex, but telling a teenager? I don't think your gonna get very far. When you were a teen how did you feel about it?

 

Bet it felt better for your male friend....but does that let him off the hook? He doesn't have to carry a fetus for nine months or support that child for it's lifetime. Yet men wish to tell women what they can and can't do with their own bodies or lives.

 

this we agree on.

But I think guys should have a "say", but the action still belongs to the female since she is the only one that physically has to endure the pregnacy and the potential complications.

 

What if your parents suck? I respect your level of respect, but my parents didn't teach me much growing up, and some of the things they did would totally count as abuse. I respect myself more than I respect them, but I still have love for them, which I'm sure a form of respect.

It's one thing to compare two loving homes, but what about the rest? The kids who didn't have good infuences but still grew into loving adults that take the time to reflect on themselves?

It sounds arrogant how you judge others for not respecting their parents as you do. Your situation may be different than everyone else's. Some kids need to rebel to grow out of their parents bullshit.

 

I am a mens right supporter - I am also a woman and a realist who is pro-choice and supports a womans right to choose. I am the first person to defend fathers who are duped by the system - who are given unfair or restrictive access to thier children - or who are used and abused by the adoption system.

But in abortion....while I sympathize with men and find thier thoughts and emotions to be totally valid - I don't believe men have "rights". Abortion is NOT a parenting decision. Abortion is a medical decision that involves only a womans body. Parenthood might be the an indirect concequence of a woman choosing to not obtain an abortion - but abort itself has nothing to do with the legal rights of parents or parenthood at all for that matter. A woman is not a legal mother and a man is not a legal father - and a legal child does not exist when a woman expells a fetus from her body. Abortion does not involve mothers, fathers, or children. It involves only a womans body and the contents inside of a womans body. A child does not exist yet.

A man does NOT become a legal father with legal parental rights and responsibilities until AFTER birth. A birth cert and establishment of paternity are the things which grant a man rights as a "father". Until a birth happens the man has no "rights" to sign away. He can't sign away parental rights that he does not have to a child that does not (yet) exist. Once a child is born - the state will not basterdize a child and violate that childs civil right to support from both parents - just to "even the score" KWIM?

Where abortion is concerned - a child is prevent from existing(biology - not the law - does not give the men the power to prevent a child from existing) - where parental abandonment is concerned a child does exist. The two have nothing to do with each other. In one case NEITHER person is a legal parent with legal rights or responsibilities - in the other you are allowing a parent to victomize and abandon a born child - and deny him his legal right to support.

Abortion might not be "fair" - but pregnancy isin't fair. Women have total responsibility in pregnancy - they are the only ones to endure pain, risk, and concequence. It is only thier body that is effected. So where there is more responsibility - there are greater rights. Just because the option of abortion is avaliable doesnt mean women have to use it - and just because a woman chooses not to use abortion - doesn't mean she is trapping a man into fatherhood. Each gender has specific options avaliable to them based on thier biological makeup. Each gender should protect themselves to try to prevent conception. Once conception happens its out of a man's hands as his body is no longer involved. We can only use our own bodies as we see fit - punishing women who decide not to abort - by making parental abandonment legal in the name of "equal rights" doesn't sit well with me. Just my 2 cents.

 

^^ True. A man has no say over what a woman does with her body. BUT equally, a woman doesn't have the right to demand that the man be a father if he doesn't want to be.
Yeah, shit happens. Condoms break or aren't used because of drunkeness, or the Pill fails. That's one of the reasons we have abortions. If the woman wants to keep the baby, fine. Her decision. If the man doesn't want any part of the parenting, then that's his right. One would assume, since he was using a condom, that a child was NOT the intention. Never mind all that "the purpose of sex is reproduction" stuff, BIOLOGICALLY it is, but socially? People will probably have more than a few partners before they decide to have kids. Where's the harm? (OK, apart from possible STDs.. but then condoms prevent most of them).
In summary: if men don't want to pay child support, that's fine. BUT they forfeit all rights to the child. Not "you play, you pay" but "wanna have a kid? then pay. No pay, no kid."

 

So you think it's okay for men to run out on their babies? Would you respect you father for making that choice?

 

As a matter of fact my father DID make that choice, and I do respect him, because I think it's worse to have resentment towards a child you don't want than to leave.

Don't talk about things you know nothing about.

 

Ummm. No offense, but. Where are you getting your information? Because, the way the laws are in the USA, With the exception of Sperm Donors, you simply cannot erase DNA. The kid has a RIGHT to know what diseases run in the DNA chain. There are some RUDE genes out there. Diabetes, Heart disease, sickle Cell, and some much ruder stuff.


Unless you WANT a child, wear a fuckin rubber!

 

And how do you know what I know?

senseless argument if you ask me, and a last resort for somone that don't doesn't wish to take others opinions into account with their own.

The way marriage, or two parents being responsible for the well being and rearing of a child ,are meant to protect the child. Why should a woman have to raise a child and also be totally financially responsible for that child? It can be done, but it would seem the child would miss out on alot with one parent having the burden of total responsibility.

 

if you don't want a baby and she does give her the baby n if u are staying together why not give here the responsibility n save up for a soundproof games room!!!

but can i be more serious about this please... your bringing another life into the world and if you love ur baby u should think about that before you raise it in a dysfunctional environment ( one parent isn’t as enthusiastic about raising a child as the other one is )

then when ur done thinking about that think what is more important having crayon drawings on ur wall or having a wife or husband ?


o wait ur talking about stem cells or something right ? well maybe you should help fix somebody’s life instead of killing them horrible eh n that’s just my opinion

 

Not NOT to have sex, just not to have sex in a way that makes babies. Either use protection, or stick it in the pooper.

I am very much pro-abortion, but theoretically it should only be necessary after rape or defective protection.

 

Indeed so. The point is that neither a man OR a woman should be made to suffer because of defective contraception. If you choose not to use it then that's a completely different kettle of fish.
Admittedly it's harder on the woman because it's her it grows inside, but abortions nowadays are nothing like the "coathanger in a back alley" that they used to be, except in backward (read: Southern Baptist) states that don't allow them. However, just because it's the woman who's physically carrying it, doesn't mean the father should automatically compensate her if she refuses abortion. Basically, if she chooses not to abort, and her partner disagrees, categorically does NOT want a child, and used protection (however faulty) then why should he pay for her choice?
Oh and crystal, apologies for my descent into ad hominem, this issue gets me a little fired up

 

The issue as I see it is that no man or woman should have the legal right to force their partner into parenthood. Women have the pill and the right to an abortion and as a result women completely control whether or not they becomes a parent. She also completely controls whether or not her male parter becomes a parent too.

I don't see a distinction between control over someone's body and control over someone's life. If a woman becomes pregnant she has the full force of the law behind her to decide how the man who impregnated her will spend the next 18 years of his life. It is not fair to give women freedom over her own reproduction as well as control over her parter's reproduction. That is oppresssion. If the opposite were true, where men could control women's reproduction, the oppression would be obvious to us. Men are too frequently seen as providers first and people second.

There needs to be a law where a man can legally abort from responsibility to the child early on in the pregnancy, early enough that the woman has time to decide whether or not to have an abortion or keep the child. Regardless of her decision, the man would have no legal rights to the child after legally aborting and would not be a legal parent.

Reproductive rights are one among many reasons why I truely believe men are oppressed under the law in most of the industrialized western world. And don't get me wrong, I have equal concern for oppressed women in much of the world, but I live here, not there.

 

What if the condom breaks or doesn't work? If you're using a condom both you and your partner are agreeing to the fact that you don't want to have a child, it's practically an implied contract through action. So the condom breaks, she becomes pregnant and now she wants the child. Should she be able to control whether or not the man reproduces? I think not, no more than any man should be able to control whether or not a woman reproduces. The fact that women are the ones who become pregnant and carry the baby is almost a non issue. It's the fact that women have complete control over their own reproduction while men are controlled by the decisions women make over their reproduction. That is not fair, that is oppression. Now, if abortions were not a legal reality, you would have to adjust the laws in such a way where men and women have equal reproductive rights under that specific context.

 

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