I saw the question, "How Serious Are You George?" so I'll just ask the same to all of you, unless you want me bossing you around being the ring master, which I could never do anyway, I'm serious about there not being a leader. I think of it as if we were all friends. Anyone who has real friends knows that no one is in control, you're completely equal. That's why there doesn't need to be rules, because like Leary said, "In the future, knowing you're spouse has been to bed with another person will be completely fixable because those feelings are simply physical, whereas true deception in a relationship is when one has had an LSD experience with another person because of the incredible bonds the chemical allows a person to instantly create and the barriers it disinegrates." Personally, I feel like I share a brotherhood with all people during my day, and couldn't quite imagine fucking a person I didn't even know let alone a person I've tripped on LSD with and had a similar idea of driving around the country in a psychedelic bus or hitchhiking or whatever. And if someone wanted to fuck me, I wouldn't worry, just look at it as a lesson and then go on. I think I've emailed almost everyone who's responded to me, so far about 15 people. If anyone has ideas or finds a bus or wants to change ideas, just email us all, you already know we're pretty fuck'n flexable type people I mean we want to cruise&live in a bus for christ sake, hehe. Peace hillshooteremery@hotmail.com
I might have found a bus everybody. My cousin said his dad has one he's trying to get ride of and it actually runs. Who's got their hitchhike'n gear to Washington ready. Everybody can sleep in my grage while we get her ready to role. It's an old school bus with all the seats but I've got plenty of tools to gut her out. Email me if you have ideas, George hillshooteremery@hotmail.com
your truth is only as true as the moment you are willing to let it perpetuate itself into what may or might as well be eternity without fear, so I say I love the idea, and do not fear for its fate, if the bus to be swings north my email is forerunner999@yahoo.com, for I am certainly not owned by this moment
blinkin is right with all that jazz, Ive been traveling in a bus for years, and the utopia your talking about shouts arrest me! If you want to talk to kids who have piled in anybody that wanted to into their bus, find kids who travelled with yo mamas, if you dont know who im talking about go to your next gathering and ask around. And you really sould be concerned about the age limit thing thats a felony to harbor a minor. Ken Kesey was a world renowned author, dont think he didnt have his ins, and that he didnt get arrested. Im a bit weary of the way your getting your crew. My advice is get the bus find the road and your crew will find you, or find the road and your crew will find you. No offense brother but thoughts of charlie manson and petaphile come to mind with your thread. I know the hippie idea is no rules no leaders, but thats just not how humans socialize, rules allow people to find like minded people, and no matter what you being the captain of the ship will always find yourself the leader, check your psychology texts, even those fellas will agree. This is all out of experience Ive been with many buses and have my own. I think anyone who feels up to it sould experience it, but if your inviting people on to a ship you also have to be responsible for their safety, not everyone knows what there doing. Buses are high profile, everyone notices, and not everyone likes it so just remember safety I mean that is what a school bus was built for. Anyway I hope you get that bus going and enjoy the life on the road. we need more buses out there, and I send my prayers you stay safe and out of impound. p.s. nice lookin bus blinkin
man you kids are crazy have you ever seen this guy, felt his vibe before, my advice is, if you want to see what its like to ride and live on a bus, go to your next family gathering and get to know some kids. Out of experience things dont go as smooth as you think it will, to get a bus together can take months I know kids who have taken over a year to get a bus together, george if this your first bus, you ever travel on a bus before and with what group of kids. Do you even know who the rainbow family is? Advice to riders, you may think its everyones bus but when it comes down to it, its the name on the title and registration thats whos bus it is. I know all you kids are lovely, so if you want to hop in the scene grab your backpack and stick your thumb out, try okala. Im sure that there are kids who are in the scene on this thread Id like to know your thoughts, and whats with all this leary quoting that man was a brain washer, Hunter Thompson and others hated him for what he was trying to get kids to do think about that.
as long as we got impounded closer to the coast Id be thumbing the bloody rest of the way anyway, before Id stay where Im living now, I still say its a righteous idea. ya probably wouldn't want that C felony for the potencially absenting children on the bus though, the kid issue would have to be avoided.
Leary, a brainwasher? His basic philosophy was about using your head, don't buy into the system, create your own realities and ultimately live your life & not some conditioned life for the masses. If that's what brainwashing is then wash away man. Pessimistic people don't get things rolling anywhere, they're uncreative and will usually take the lowest, easiest most conditioned road available. ________ pessimism is a perfect example; there will always be people who'll tell you why something can't happen. As this post continues to evolve, it's almost come to the point of all out laughter but also sadness for the people who feel their words are most widely heard through giving comments addressing the "FACT" of how the magic school bus will never work and ultimately they're right for themselves. The same FACT exists for people who believe that art is a talent that resides only in other "exceptional" people and not with in their own hand or word or musical note or imaginative quality. I think one more thing that ties us up within our own minds is the idea of boarder’s lines and specific country laws. Granted, it's easy to get caught in our thoughts about how the law is going to crack down on us, take all of our mind enhancing drugs, arrest us for having willing "UNDER AGE" people aboard the machine and slap huge fines on us for not having enough seat belts or riding on the roof or painting FUCK BUSH on the side of the machine or not being licensed properly ect ect. I'll tell everyone that it doesn't really matter to me if I'm cruising US highways or bumping down Argentinean dirt mountain roads, that make no difference at all. Also, really quick, here's something about me, I'M NOT A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN. That little fact has made free spiritism much easier to come across in my life and makes for a lot more selection of creative get away plans and escape routes when the BIG MACHINE does intervene with my plan. My hypothetical bumber sticker reads Show me a creativity restricting law and I'll show you a way to break it and shove it up your... Give a shout out if you feel me.
I actually tried the idea of getting a bus and piling in anyone who wanted a ride and going off to an art festival. I spent 6 months getting the bus converted (a 40-foot widebody highway coach), adding a kitchen, bathroom, beds, and all the holding tanks, plumbing, electrical, solar panels, and lighting. Although the bus only cost me $3K, all the rest cost over $7K and not to mention about 1000 hours of work, that mostly I did myself under the hot summer sun. I totally regretted it, and nearly had a nervous breakdown. During the trip, I could never sleep because there were so many kids coming in and out of the bus at all hours to access their stuff. Kids met other kids, invited them over, smoked cigarettes in the bus, and let the water system overflow because they didn't know how to use it. The damn place was a mess and everybody started talking behind my back saying how uncool I was because I had "personal space and ownership issues", although here I was letting everyone ride on my bus for free. I even paid for the fuel because nobody else had any money. Uggh, just thinking about that trip gives me the shudders. The whole bus thing caused me to loose my job, my house, my reputation in the community, and nearly made me loose my mind. I still have the bus, however, but now I drive it around by myself, and only take good friends of mine if I do have riders. Having said all that, I know of several others who have successfully toured with a busload of hipsters. Some drive around planting trees at intentional communities and teaching people about biodiesel and stuff, and another visits art and music festivals with a busload of avid dancers. These bus captains were smarter about it and carefully interviewed their riders first, not just allowing anyone on who wants to get on. And their riders aren't just passengers either, they are part of the crew and have assigned roles. This is the only way the captain can keep the ship running smoothly without going crazy with responsibility. I even drove a few tours like this, and yes we bumped along mountain roads with no seat belts and riders on the roof. That was actually a lot of fun. Also, it wasn't my bus, but everyone chipped in for fuel and helped clean the bus afterward. BTW, it is not illegal for bus passengers to ride with no seat belts. Most passenger seats on a bus have no seat belts anyway. Anyway, it looks like George mostly wants to go out and challenge the system, its laws, boundaries, and limitations. It's more of a form of radical free expression (and an invitation for common group expression) than a real organized plan. That's cool, and I admire him for the bravado and impetus. I think that was something of my intention at first. But then something changed when I was pushed to my own physical limits. I didn't realize that owning and driving a bus entailed so much responsibility, planning and expense, especially when you have that many riders with you. Plus I got reallly sick of wasting so much time working on the bus when I could have been doing more meaningful things. Even now I'm constantly dealing with the bus. Maybe this is George's chance to sow some wild oats and get one on one with the cold hard reality of the road. I just hope it works out for him and that the experience satisfies, but it's hard for me not to imagine that it'll simply turn out to be a fiasco. My best road adventures have been in a station wagon or van with girlfriend and/or one or two pals. Keep It Simple. The bottom line is that I learned that I would rather place my creative energy and time into music and art (I'm a composer and sculptor) rather than being a diesel mechanic, RV builder, and asshole captain. Instead of a ticket to freedom, a bus can actually get in the way of one's true creative expression. If you get a bus, you will be playing less music. Think about that.
You know I can't disagree with anything you said SweetD and honestly I invision a bus load of people cruising the counrty side; eventually filtering down into a group of members who know eachother face to face as friends and semi-permanent crew members; laws that govern like common law and group conversation law. Yes some unwritten rules would eventually take shape and maybe it's my optomism about humanity that is getting me in trouble in this forum. I breed one rule within myself which is "deep conscious respect for all" every permanent member on board that means, and I would expect the same from everyone else. Possably I feel this way because of the way I've been raised or the books I've read or because I've been deeply hurt in the past from others who've walked on my soul. Please don't think I don't appreciate all of your comments because they've only given me a broader view of what very cool people taking busses out on the road think about the whole idea in general. Maybe I should make a few verbal rules seems that I came up with the thread in the first place maybe it's my time to do that. First Rule: Think of others first, all others any others animal other bug others and then yourself. Try to think of ALL the ways that they might feel about exactly what you're doing. Ask them how they feel I mean fuck, you live with them you've tripped with them, now ask them. If everyone does this, then the person being asked will be just as conscious about feelings as the person who's doing the asking. Rule Number Two: This might seem like an extreme rule and your comments are deffinately apreciated. Required reading 1 book every three months from some psychedelic author spiritual teacher or book from the magic bus book family archive. No one can tell me the Tao te Ching is bull shit, so that's the first required reading for everyone. The Tao is our buses bible. If you can't try your best to jive somewhere along the lines of Tao written words, then you're not cruis'n with us. I've never met an uncool student of the Tao. If you don't know what it is, it's not a religious dogma, it's not telling you what to do so don't be afraid, read it, it's short, and your welcome with me.
oh structure is ...starting to take place...I dont want to rain on your parade man and I dont think anyone else really does either, but those "required readings" kinda cultish man thinking as one community requires different angls of thought if your all reading the same books and thinking the same thoughts based on mutual eppipahnies yo are the new machine.... the tao isnt a bible its is the way ...I mean litterally thats what it means in english If I were you Id spend a bit more time on political history and mass conscious thought than books about acid trips and daydreams..... but thats me your wrote a post on the hioghway child thread about rulles... man I guaruntee you people will ASK you for them. I dealt with so much junk in prior trips because I dint lay out the structure clear enough. man Maybe you shouldnt even define them as rulles or barriors maybe just merridians of your tao highway markers just so that you can "define " your "undefined" communal culture. I mean the vibe Im getting is you just want tio love in a bus and cruise around.... man if it were that easy thats exactly what I would be doing. and I guess in the begining I did just that 10 years later I learned some important lessons. why not go downt to the hog farm and talk to some of those cats who were on further, there still there you know any way man good luck maybe Ill see you on the road, if you need anyhelp with engine questions or building questions I might be able to help peace brother drew