Lucy Finally Found Me. Now I need some advice??

@Voyage: Though not a bad idea.. no, there is a specific type of genre that's psychedelic.
I love the band the Smiths, but they are not anywhere near what I would call psychedelic, whether or not on a drug. Though I love their stuff and will listen to it on/off acid, it's not that same as listening to say... shpongle.

There are way different types of genres with it, that doesn't mean other genres are bad, or even worse. But it's not the same. I think in terms of "mind manifestation" it is in the eye of the beholder, what you grew up with and loved is going to mean more to you. But psychtrance/psychedelic rock is as much of a genre as electronic, country, or indie rock.

 

I hear ya. If you want to put labels on genres, ok.

I feel good when I can be inclusive and find commonality, opening my circle and including others. As opposed to being exclusive, closed, and isolated.

An un-liberated mind is the opposite of psychedelic.

 

It became clear to me a couple of days ago that there are two things being talked about here.
The genre of music classified as "psychedelic".
With that definition as the focus, I would tend to agree with most of what GB has posted regarding musical genres.

On the other hand is the mindset or perspective that is labeled "psychedelic".
It is that definition that Voyage, myself and a couple others who posted tend towards.
With that focus of the term "psychedelic" their points are also valid.

So a case where multiple definitions of a term leading to misunderstanding in a thread.
Can you believe it?!!
I'll bet that has never happened before at HF.

 

I think that kind of gets to the point Nox...

I was thinking about just this idea today, driving and listening to npr, there was a story about the music of Turkey and Istanbul in particular. They played a few short examples during the story and then a full song after. I ruminated a bit on how different it was to what I grew up hearing, about how it also said something about that particular culture. The song that was played had religious significance. I sort of liked it, not what I would listen to regularly but then again, I'm not turkish. But I could appreciate that it had meaning and spoke to people of a culture. I know a lot of people that wouldn't give it the time of day. I decided it was psychedelic.
But speaking in the musical language of genres, it wouldn't be properly labeled as such. And I think that's where GB is coming from. In an effort to describe a category of music, perhaps some forms of music should be labeled psychedelic. I prefer to minimize labels in music so I suppose I'm just looking through that microscope.

Here's some Michele with the vocoder thingy GB, I know you've heard it before tho.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pXEQQLSFNk"]Younger Brother - Crumblenaut (04) - YouTube

 

i started a "psychedelic playlist" thread, please feel free to add:
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?p=7103390#post7103390


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VV8sgVSZNQ"]

 

So how was that experience with 2C-e ?

 

Well for one thing I felt like a super hero and realised at our cores we are all super heroes. I can't sweat very good but I was pouring buckets and my blood circulation was much better, one of the best workouts of my life. I was watching music vids on youtube and felt uplifted spiritually.

When I closed my eyes the imagination was too intense. Things like "ancient egyptian pharoah vaginas" would appear for whatever reason so I kept my eyes open for the most part.

I realised a few practical things that I need to implement, like prayer(not in a religous sense) before I "research" any substance to help with mindset, also hydration and antioxidants. Also my hunger for various psychedelic substances has died down after this experience. How can it get more intense than 2c-e, and if it can do i really want to experience that. So I cross off t2 and t7 off my list.

I feel a bit vulnerable in some areas of my body but hopefully that will clear up in a few days. Sometimes we need a good jolt to put things in perspective, I feel like praying and meditating so that is a good thing :sunny:

 

^ I'm not sure what criteria you are crossing the 2ctx chems off your list by but The 2ctx chems don't have quite the potency as 2ce, they catch up in intensity nicely when you raise the dose. 2ct7 is a really well rounded trip and worth exploring if its available to you, I also enjoy 2ct2 but that one probably has less mass appeal than 2ce and 2ct7.

 

I definately prefer the smoother melodies of the Dead when tripping, but Pink Floyd and Jefferson Airplane are the best for tripping, i find that the beatles can make me paranoid, they seem Too happy

 

^You know, that's kinda how I feel. I love the Beatles, a lot. But their music isn't as .. "strong" on a trip if that makes sense. I love listening to them on the comedown though
Doors and JAirplane are probably my favorite 60s bands though

Jimi and Floyd are also amazing though!

 

You really have no idea. I've done 60mg of 2c-e and I've had psychedelic experiences that made that seem like a little cutesy quaint high.

Well what are you doing messing around psychedelics for? Nice easy experiences? Something you can share with grandma? Something to bring for show and tell? I mess with them to go to the edge of human experience. Some psyches still scare me to death, but i still do them, or at least never write them off completely.

I know shortly after a trip it is very common to have thoughts like "I'm never going to trip again, I don't need to" or "I don't want to have an experience more intense than that" but those feelings also fade with time and everyone finds themselves picking up the phone again. The message might be the same every time (which I don't even think it is!) but it doesn't mean that hearing it in a different way every time isn't incredible and worthwhile.

This is like eatkearne saying that now that he's tried 2c-i he doesn't "need" to try any other psychedelic. Well, ok, it makes as much sense as saying "Now that i've had an apple I don't need to eat any other kind of fruit again in my life".

 

double post

 

I'm comparing 2c-e to other RC. I've had super intense 8 grams (dried cubes) which is a very different trip then any of my RC trips. I don't mind pushing the limit with shrooms because I feel they are much safer for me. You have to be a total dumbass to push the limits with RC. Many deaths have occured and long term effects are unknown.

I really doubt 60 mg of 2c-e was a "cutesy quaint high" for you. Unless you are on other meds or have some sort of tolerance. I don't know why you feel obligated to push yourself as a psychedelic super hero.

 

Felix, being a "research chemical" is more of a legal zone in this sense. A lot of the 2C's are VERY well known, really.... And very well researched.

Being a "research chemical" doesn't have any particular negative connotation on the chemical, if you think any one chem is not safe enough for you you're a moron for taking of it ANY at ALL.

A death happening with bromo-dragonfly and you applying that to 2Ce (the safety of which, in general, along with all the 2C's, seems to be pretty high) is like me railing against marijuana and causing deaths because of methamphetamine.

The "RC" field covers everything from amphetamines to PCP analogs to LSD analogs to pscilocybin analogs..... Don't be a moron.

Anyways, your post screams "backpedal".

 

I don't think i'm back pedaling at all. if I feel fulfilled with 2c-e for the moment then so be it. i don't need to delve into other RC, i may in the future, i may not. I'm not here to try everything under the sun.

So you are saying 20 mg is not safer than 200mg? stop being a tard.

 

I didn't say anything of the sort.

200mg would be, without a tolerance, an "overdose" of 2C-e, as far as I'm concerned. And I specifically mentioned that as an exception.

Again, assuming you're not overdosing, if you would take a chemical at all, I would sure as hell hope that you have the brains to not take one that you think is damaging in any reasonably normal dose.

And yes, you're backpedaling.

 

i can understand where you're coming from, felix. 2ce was my 1st RC, and i really didn't have much of a desire to get into EVERY other 2cx, because i felt like 2ce was probably one of the better ones. but then i did move onto 2cb, which has some qualities over 2ce, but i don't feel the need to take any more 2cx.

but 4-subbed tryptamines are a whole different story.

25x-nbome chemicals...

these are just two examples that seem to be drastically different from 2ce, and quite possibly worthwhile.

 

I got 4-aco-dmt on the way, looking forward to it. 2c-b / 25i-nbome/ 2c-c, definitely interested in those. At this point I am not interested in anything more intense then 2c-e, even though I have samples of 2c-p and 2c-t-2. If these compounds start to get banned then I can see myself getting some t7.

So far I have noticed that these phens (2c-i, 2c-e) have a very speedy high. I'd like to try a phen without the speediness.

 

Me and Mr.Writer were talking about doses and pushing the limit/being safe. You came in with "if you think any one chem is not safe enough for you you're a moron for taking of it ANY at ALL". I didn't say the chemical is not safe to take but pushing the limits is not safe ( thus my quote "You have to be a total dumbass to push the limits with RC." ). I don't like argueing with people on the forum so just do us a favor and ignore my posts and I'll do the same.

 

I didn't see Felix compare BD with 2Ce, but I will. There were a few deaths from ignorant, misuse of 2Ce earlier this year, which turned into the excuses to ban the 2C's. Maybe we all have a different personal comfort zone?

^^^ Those are the comments that started this little exchange and I don't see anything to quarrel with. His opinion, his experience. To counter with 'you need to do more' or 'you need to do 2x-x' or 'you shouldn't do shit if you're such a pussy' is dismissive of his feelings and disrespectful of him as a person.

Thats been my experience too... with I being the most and b being the least jittery/speedy. I dislike that aspect in a trip too for the most part and partly why I'm least fond of 2Ci.
It's my wager you're going to dig 4aces. My guess is you're more of a trypt guy, like I am.