Lucy Finally Found Me. Now I need some advice??

Haha, yeah, I guess I am a bit argumentative one shrooms? Perhaps only online?
But yeah, Steely Dan is great, though I admit not very psychedelic. The Beatles are psychedelic, they were trying very hard to be, I just think they are much less when compared to bands who perfected it not too long after them.
There will be no winners or losers of this argument, I'm not convincing people who like the Beatles and think they are a great psychedelic band that they aren't and I don't attempt to. Perhaps I can help people explore other bands if they believe that The Beatles are the be all end all when it comes to psychedelic music though.

 

The Beatles are serious legitimate psychedelic music, I win that argument.

I don't care to go on a tangent from there.

 

nah, that's not what i meant.

just thought it was humorous...
GB is wondering how you rank steely dan as more psychedelic than the beatles....and two pages later you mention how were were tripping and listening to steely dan when you said that. no wonder you thought they were psychedelic!

i think built to spill is one of the best psychedelic bands - listen to the lyrics noxious
and 311 - very psychedelic lyrics.

 

^311 absolutely has some psychedelic lyrics.

 

they're down for the unity!


they get psychedelic with a pen and a pad!


"Now there's fire inside but black space surrounds you
You think "Where oh where am I?"
but even your light continues
See through us see a soul we have not yet
Learned to harness see the next world inside it
We are the people of skin who left water
Inside the dark womb inside of our mother
Prone to the beat and vibe of our tribe
We catch the drift and ride moving tides
Out from a love that will keep on burning
Now see yourself to the next world returning
This life an old place we face to live again
What is it to understand the heareafter?"


"Fourth of July with Lucy in Sky
I remember pine trees and the coat of many colors
I was nineteen
I'd do anything
Shit like that now scares me but I'd like to do it again
It was Independence day
I've seen the other side and I say
oh I've been insane
And I won't ever be the same"


"hey you gotta look outside to see what's goin oooooooooooon
hey you can't run and hide when the 'psybin trip is ooooooooooon
not like this have you seen such green, a spot like this becomes serene
i'm glad you're here, i have no fear, woooooooah
trip the shrooms, fantastic, shit gets drastic"

 

Damn, just missed out on an entire conversation/argument ...
I agree with GB on this one, and Noxious in a sense. No shit bands after the Beatles got more psychedelic, a style was discovered. That's just like once the Beatles discovered reverb every band in the world started using it..

The Doors were one of the amazing psychedelic bands, and as much as love them, that's really what they tried for. See the Beatles had a quote: "My role in society, or any artist's or poet's role, is to try and express what we all feel. Not to tell people how to feel. Not as a preacher, not as a leader, but as a reflection of us all."

That's what the Beatles were. They weren't trying to control the times, they were trying to reflect the times, and that is why their music hit so hard. I find it hard not to believe the beatles weren't a good psychedelic trip, George is the walking definition of that hippie. He went on spiritual quests to Inida loads of time to smoke reefer, trip, and meditate while learning sitar from his guru. "Jai Guru Deva om" ring a bell?

The Beatles were basically an experiement, they moved and learned so much through their music like no other band I've ever seen. Don't get me wrong, other bands like Floyd, Doors, etc. are/were great and had their place. But I don't think one can "mature" from the Beatles, they were as mature as you could get. They had their wild side and also knew how to make music for music, not want to be trippy psychtrance.

 

Why? because he acquiesced and apologized for including Steely Dan in his list of what HE considered psychedelic?
(no need to ever apologize for your personal opinions and tastes in music, upperlevel)

Really?
You just don't get it do you?

So how psychedelic is I wanna Hold Your Hand or Love Me Do?

Personally I rank the Beatles as one of the more eclectic bands of the era.
They were top 40 pop
They were blues
They were rock and roll
and they were psychedelic.

So they really don't fit into any one box, now do they, so how in the hell do you think you "won" anything?

 

^Noxious... Love Me Do and I want to hold your hand was when they were like 17-18 before they touched acid, and possibly even pot...

That's what's great about the Beatles, they weren't one genre because they moved in their music and lifestyle. They have soo much to offer

 

:2thumbsup:

 

I have moved on from arguing with guer, I don't think either of us won, we just have different tastes in music.

I don't know how developing a style makes it that amazing. I mean by that logic let's say that jazz and blues was psychedelic, it was what beatles drew from to make their music, then made it more psychedelic.

 

i think upperlevel had it right - when you take a psychedelic, and listen to music...iT's pSYchEdEliC

 

Impressive list -100 greatest psychedelic songs

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_songs-psych.html

 

Uhhmmm, Yeah that's the point.

Isn't that what I said.
Hell, I've been a big fan of the Beatles since long before most of the participants of this thread were even born.
:wheelchair:

 

Ok. Jazz and blues are psychedelic. :sunny:

 

I don't think every song by the Beatles are psychedelic at all. But since Revolver was released, they introduced that style very well. Tomorrow Never Knows as GB's list pointed at is acclaimed as the number 1 psychedelic song. They were experienced in what they were doing, and messed around. They had personality behind their music, and that's whats so great. Are you familiar with their song "Hey Bulldog" Near the end of the track they just start messing around in the studio with dog howls and talking and stuff. They bring really unique psychedelic vibes.

Granted you can be "lifted" more by an album by the Doors, they still had their place. And Lucy in the Sky -though overrated in some sense- can really take you to a spacey atmosphere. I think Sgt. Peppers is one of the greater psychedelic albums ever released, it puts in weird ambient sounds that has never been heard before, there was a track released of George Martin talking about it, and he mentioned how when the album was released the Beach Boys were just sitting around listening to the record over and over again wondering how they got those sounds in their music. They were such a gateway into a new unknown/-new world.

And Abby Road is a very great album, I think Because is still one of my favorite songs I've ever heard on a psychedelic. Strawberry Fields, I am the Walrus, Baby you're a rich man, and their lyrics on a trip accompany the music in such an uplifting way.

 

Lot of good songs in there, but the idea of a definitive rank ordering of psychedelic music is off.

Haha, Venus in Furs (#19) is in no way psychedelic. It's more about about heroin, speed, S&M, and so on.

 

I don't like that list of 100, I think they separate early psychedelic and progressive, they only have stuff from the mid to late 60's.

 

Yah I'd agree Velvet Underground has a bit more white noise type S & M thing, and they traditionally had really dark content, although Venus in Furs is pretty tranced out and maybe their relationship with Andy Warhol got them on the list.

If I gathered anything out of Upper Level's post about 'psychedelic music' it was that there was tons of other psychedelic music out besides The Beatles. And as much as a casual listener may feel classifications and genres are arbitrary, they are in fact useful. I just pulled up a quality list in a minute of psychedelic music with at most maybe a few grey areas, but still the list gives people alot of music that has many common similarities in structure, themes and the time period.

Give me a I, IV, and V chords of a minor scale in 12 bars of 4/4 and you got yourself a blues song.

You give me a minor second, Major Fifth and Root note as base chords we most likely are looking at a jazz song.

Maybe if you add a bunch of sound effects, distortion/reverb, backwards tape looping, change the time progression, sing about peppermint oceans and mermaid mistresses than it could be considered in the psychedelic genre.

I listened to 2pac on my first acid trip and had incredible synesthesia and felt a powerful connection with the music that I would say was 'mind expanding' but I would not classify 2pac as psychedelic music. Since most of us aren't tripping 250+ times a year, There is good reason that classification and stuff like music theory exists.

You can call a cat a leopard, or a leopard a cat, it doesn't make it so... or does it?

 

For a huge thread derailing, there's still some good thoughts here.

But in the end, don't ya think that ultimate definition of "psychedelic" is in the mind of the beholder? Certainly most cats could call Floyd or the Beatles or similar bands psychedelic, but to say that good classical, or deep blues, or many other genres of music aren't "mind manifesting" seems to me to diminish what other people find valuable.

Ultimately, modern music is by it's very nature written to move the listener, to evoke an emotional response. When a certain piece or song does that on a deep level to someone else, isn't that psychedelic? Even if it doesn't do so for yourself?

I suppose it bothers me sometimes when the use of the word psychedelic is used only to describe drug induced experiences.

 

Nope, I have no problems whatsoever referring to Trance as Trance and Psychedelic Trance as Psychedelic Trance. I just separated two genres of music in my mind and have dozens of artists that fit into each category and I hold the same amount and respect and value to all of them.

I'd hope there are others who would feel the same.

Edit: I grew up on music far before psychedelic drugs and genre classifications has been a great way for me to discover music, so I lean towards psychedelic as being a classification in regards to music. As I said you can refer to a leopard as a cat but to specify that particular animal most would call it a leopard.