LSD, The Stigma and The U.S. Government who created it

First off, do you really think the government cares about what an acid head has to say about their information regarding LSD? secondly, what good is voting if there is no one worth voting for? It is crazy to suggest that by not voting you are saying that you do not care who governs your country. In order for the vote to be fair there would have to be the option to vote for none of the above. The way that governments are currently set up there is no way for certain individuals to run for office, therefore you cannot say that we are not playing our part when we do not vote. Sure there are people who do not vote because they do not care but you cannot say that everyone who does not vote does not care because they do not give us enough choice to have a fair vote and some of us are not willing to vote for a lesser of evil!

 

No need to ge so bent out of shape, but let me ask you this then, what about protesting?

Protesting has worked in the past, get enough people to protest and they might just open the market for research on LSD. But you can't sit there and tell me doing nothing is all you can do. There is always something you can do besides post your opinions on a forum. It's one thing to express opinions and another to act upon them.

Also on the topic of individuals running, of course certain people can't run. If everyone could run for office we'd have complete idiots running every branch of the government rather than just the president and his office being morons.


I'm not taking sides. I think our government is pretty fucked up, but I think there's plenty we can do to change that. If it's a problem that I'm optimistic about it, well then fine think what you will.

As far as conspiracy theories go... believe what you will, and I'll believe what I will.

 

well as our last two presidential terms will show...votes don't make a damn of a difference

 

I suppose you and 3xi are right in that aspect, but I don't like to think there's nothing we as citizens can't do to better the way things are run and the nation. People have been rebelling against the government since the beginning of civilization, and they will continue to do so.

as long as governments exist, someone will disagree with them. As long as nations exist, they will fall given enough time.


America may be on the road to falling.

 

America's fucked, dude.
Godspeed

 

whats the issue here? the gov lies, nothing new

 

Protesting probably wouldnt work, we would need a ton of lsd circulating around america (someone making alot), so that slowly people would realize

 

Mr. Writer,

Flashbacks are a historical anecdote of how people describe perceptual alterations. Flashbacks are more of an idea of the mindset you get when experiencing a perceptual alteration. People have noticed these things after tripping and the more you trip the more you will see. The difference between the Idea of a flashback and a perceptual alteration is that a "flashback" has an entire history of anecdotal evidence.

I was never advocating that LSD could never have any negative side effects. I think it's very possible especially in cases of inexperienced users who don't understand the very spiritual aspect of LSD, leaving them more clueless with false understanding. Users with out the necessary means of treating LSD with a great respect as to use it only in a positive and spiritually wholesome place that will aid to deep rooted spiritual growth for emotional development. I think there are way too many people out there who use LSD in such a unappreciative and "drug" mindset. If you treat it like a drug and that's all it is to you, that's fine. But I would say your really missing it's power and insight.

 

Bleach,

Please don't forget the original context that this information was posted in. They were implying extended use that was mandatory for fulfillment of an addiction.

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I know what your saying about seeing things that aren't there. But you don't understand that they are actually there. When you take LSD your pretty much opening up into more sensory input, hence seeing more than normal. But everything that you see was already there anyways, it's all a part of one.

I agree that marijuana definitely enhances perceptual alterations but that is all they are. It's not like your whole world changes, you can control it. But remember the context of the original article that the OP was all about. Advocating complete loss of control is just ludicrous. I experience perceptual alterations at work and can just as easily snap out of it when it's time to get something done.

I understand that I will never stop the U.S. governments attack on anything they wish to keep under a stigma. Truth is I don't care that they do it, I don't like it, but I don't really care. My real care lies in the people who buy into it. I care about them. I want them to do their research instead of just shunning because they are "supposed" to. I want them to make their own decision based on their ability to weigh facts and research in hopes for better understanding. It's obvious that these two particular friends aren't exactly capable and don't necessarily understand that it's fairly possible for someone to lie right to their faces. I wanted to lift the veil but I didn't work so I just blew off some steam towards the government for conquering two who at a time could have had a chance to understand just a little something about LSD.

 

Shady, remembering that LSD is a drug just like cocaine or marijuana or cigarettes or alcohol or mushrooms, doesn't diminish it. LSD will always be LSD, no matter what you call it. A rose by any other name . . . I don't use "drug" in a condescending way, I use it in a realistic way. LSD is a chemical substance which alters brain chemistry. That is the definition of a drug, and people need to remember that's what it is, and not some magical gift from their version of god that is made from giggles and sunshine. It has side effects, some permanent, some long term.

All I am advocating is an honest, direct, complete definition/description of LSD, instead of "well golly gee it's just a wonderful spiritual aid don't you know?". Yeah, so is marijuana, but you'll still get emphesema from smoking every day!

I hope I made my point clearly

 

the harmonic key

 

LSD is a substance that alters brain chemistry. In my personal opinion LSD is not meant to be used in the stereotypical setting or mindset involved in normal drug behavior. That is to say I don't believe it should belong to the same such category as, Coke, Heroin, Meth, Alcohol, Cigarettes. The feeling that arises is not to suffice some physical addiction but it opens you up to a spiritual trip. Now I understand how you feel and that's fine, if this is not how you look at it then enjoy whatever you get out of it, pretty colors or what not. But I must say that LSD has a great potential for the human psyche. I agree that they're are dangers involved and I believe anyone who takes it is taking a risk. But my objective of this post was not to say LSD is perfect. It was to point out the obvious distortions in information provided by our U.S. Government, which as a user one should understand as a threat to the very existence of the substance itself. The goal of those messages and so called information is to keep the stigma alive to keep LSD bad in the eyes of our general population, in their hopes of its potential downfall and succession into history. Don't forget the OP, and why this whole thing is up. It's a threat against your enjoyment as well as mine.

 

Although I agree with you for the most part, I have to disagree with one small point. Not everyone who takes LSD is taking a risk! Sure, most people who try LSD for the first time having no idea what they're getting into are taking a huge risk. Most people before they experiment with psychedelic drugs are lost or confused with life in general. For your average teenage drug user LSD is not a drug used to expand one's consciousness but is a drug used to get high, trip out or get fucked up and see colors. For these people, yes you are correct that they are taking a risk when they take LSD but even someone who is completely lost taking LSD for the wrong reasons can wake up with a wonderful experience. All one has to do is a little research and talk to the right people before they experiment with this new substance to reduce the risks. Unfortunately when people do their research it can be difficult because there is so much misinformation around. If you do thorough and intelligent research and surround yourself with positive and uplifting friends there are few risks involved with psychedelic experimentation. As for someone like myself with years of experience there is no risk whatsoever when I take LSD. How can I say that with absolute certainty? Very simple, I have no fear and I know what I'm getting into. I have had trips that have taken me into the dark depths of hell and I came out unscathed and somehow better from my experience. Wisdom comes from the depths of your experience and something that may seem like something you would never want to experience could be just what you need to learn the lessons that you need to learn in order to become the person that you are destined to become.

Basically, all I'm trying to say is that LSD is not risky for everyone but I would agree that taking LSD is a risk for most newcomers. Do your research and do not experiment with psychedelic drugs until you are no longer hesitant or afraid. Like going on a first date with a beautiful woman you may be a little nervous but you will be excited while you anticipate a good time. You would not be hesitant or afraid of a date with a woman that you are attracted to unless of course you are a little messed up and in that case I wouldn't suggest trying LSD either.

If you honestly believe that you are in good mental health and you also believe that LSD is a tool that can be used in a positive way to expand your consciousness and improve who you are in many ways then you have nothing to fear whatsoever. I would even go as far as to say that a person who feels like they have mental issues that they need to work through could benefit from LSD. If they can do this without fear they will be better off but even a trip with a little fear is no big deal as long as you take from it something positive as you learn through your experience.

If someone is going to suggest that you never know what is going to happen because LSD affects different minds in different ways maybe they could prove to us that LSD in itself is capable of causing any sort of brain damage whatsoever. As I'm sure most of us are aware there is absolutely no scientific evidence to suggest that LSD in itself can cause any sort of physical or mental problems. It is actually widely believed that any negative affect resulting from an LSD experience has everything to do with a person's set and setting and nothing to do with the chemical reaction going on in the brain except for that the set and setting probably would not have caused such a detrimental effect had the individual not taken the LSD. The LSD in itself did not cause the damage, it was the way that the person reacted to the drug because of their current mental state and the reality in which they exist.

It is not the LSD you should be afraid of, it is yourself!

 

No you still don't get my point, you can "think" of LSD however you want, you can make it a really deep spiritual thing with metaphysical implications, but that doesn't change the fundamental mechanism by which it works, and I simply worry about worldviews which seek to sugar coat that into something mystical. It's not, it's chemical.

I realise that is my opinion now and stems from the fact that I am passionately atheist.

 

my entire life is some insane mystical spiritual journey,
AND AT THE SAME TIME
just a bunch of vibrating molecules------bzzzzz--------
(all while TRYING to understanding the '''chemistry''')
yes
it's so much deeper than that.

deep as in all the way back to the source connecting to the tip of the future head

Dear Ouroboros,
I thank you for the wormholes you've woven me.

All those who float before me (splitting into threes) spitting yantras shall be commended for their physicless function.


When you have the purest molecules
it taps your dome just right
to crack your crown.

 

Chemical can be mystical, now I understand.

 

i think science is what's made chemistry into something we take too literally and realistically to understand as mystic. but just think about the things chemists have believed...there was an entire era where all chemists were in agreement that the reason things burn is because they contain an undetectable amount of something called "phlogiston". who knows how long it took them to discover oxygen in the air is what allows things to burn.

 

The obvious counter point here is that you are absolutely not spiritual. Makes sense you couldn't agree with me because it would conflict with your anti-belief. I'm glad you brought this up because it just makes so much sense now.

 

i could be wrong but i thought atheism was denial of god..not of a higher spiritual power/order


ok i just looked it up..i think i am wrong lol

 

A (not/non) theist (God, Creator, Religion)

While I believe that this universe is not inherently spiritual, I think that spirituality is a meaning that people are free to paint on whatever they like, and it doesn't diminish the value and importance of said spirituality, since I also believe the world is what you make it and that WILL is what's important, and if your will is to see spirituality in chemicals, then chemicals are spiritual for you, and this is just as real as the sky being blue (in your mind, which is your universe!).

Man, I need to start working on run-on sentences >_>