Lsd, Shrooms, or Salvia?

no no...

that's where time of the experience becomes a factor; DMT hits you, and it's like "wham"...you're smeared into the fabric of an alternate realm, and all you can really do is observe...3 minutes seems like an eternity.

what's so startling and intense is how quickly, and how hard, it hits you.

Alan Watts described it as "being shot out of an atomic cannon"

ibogaine is for serious realignment; it's notorious for curing addicts and alcoholics.


I suppose I'll agree on this: a thumbprint, a dmt flash, and an ibogaine journey, all have the potential to really have an impact on one's life... a real experience of true enlightenment.

next time you're in a head shop, look for the book "DMT: the Spirit Molecule"; it's Dr. Rick Strassman's account of administering DMT to research volunteers, to find a connection between the pineal gland, DMT, and spiritual near-death experiences.

 

Yes you describe what I lived...exactly. Except it did wham , then im back, then wham again etc......until were kinda back.

But a dmt flash must last much longer and be stronger dependin on dose, but i believe you can easily reach this level of peak intensity with lsd, if youd like and have good stuff. But certainly, you cannot reach such an intense come up as with dmt. But i have never tried it, its just that how you explain it it sounds so familiar...Maybe it just was similar, but weaker.

 

i don't know; some people may disagree, but, what you do with your own trip you may perceive it as the most humbling experience you can have.

make the comparison when you experience both.

and DMT dosage cuts off too, the experience doesn't last any longer when smoked, or booted, in excess; you simply pass out and forget everything, like overdosing on salvinorin-a. William Burroughs reportedly injected 100mg, and "was flung into space-fiction paranoia"

also check out Peter Stafford's "Psychedelic Encyclopedia"; you'll find that Tim Leary, Richard Alpert, and Ralph Metzner all were so inspired by DMT, they published many articles and letters of praise, and the counterculture quickly found out.

 

Yes I understand what you mean...

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Is there a way to extract dmt that doesnt linger the extraction for like weeks (as ive seen on the net)...often when i do fishy stuff like that I only have a day. I guess id try 20mg or so...to see how it is. But I kinda feel like I know how it is, well that I have a good idea...

 

yes, it's an all day affair; I'll have to look for it, I know naptha is used for the extractions...muriatic acid (pool acid), red devil lye (or drano), and naptha.
you really have to do multiple extractions, or the yield will be low, but the boiling down of the acidic solution (where the ground up material is bathing) is what takes the most time.
pm me for the rundown of it


in the meantime, listen to this: http://www.joerogan.net/albums/roganaudio/Joe_Rogan_Explains_Life_002.mp3

a couple of things he mentioned that are debateable: "it's the most potent psychedelic known to man"

LSD is actually more potent, I think he meant "it's the most powerful (intense) psychedelic known to man" ...few would argue that.

and there is no substancial evidence that the pineal produces DMT, rather, it produces precursors which may eventually metabolize into 5-MeO-DMT, and possibly, DMT.

and while acetylcholine has a lot to do with REM sleep, the visual aspect of dreaming may be associated with endogenous psychedelic tryptamines; that's the connection he asserts

 

I dont really care about the yield, 100mg its fine...maybe I could make a really potent alcohol extract and start from there or something...Could I blow butane through one of the plants I can buy and get semi finished product?? or is dmt not soluble (word?) in butane

 

dmt is not soluble in butane, but it is soluble in dilute acetic acid (vinegar, basically).

you may also soak some plant material in everclear, but for that, you'd have to wait a week.

my suggestion is to boil the plant material in about a gallon of water, add two cups of vinegar, and boil it down to a couple of cups of solution (total); this will take a few hours (about 4 or 5). strain off the plant material and pour the liquid into a large mason jar, let the solution cool, then add about a quarter-cup of naptha; tip the jar up and down a few times, and leth the two layers separate; pour off the top layer of naptha into another jar, and save...pour another quarter-cup of naptha into the solution, and repeat...do this about 4 or 5 times. keep the sark aqueous solution, discard the naptha, which has all the fatty acids.
next, add a base, like ammonia to the solution, until the pH is around 9. swirl the solution around to mix it fairly well.

(ether may be obtained by spraying engine starting fluid into a jar; stay away from flames, and don't store in glass jars, use only what you're going to use)

then, like you did with the naptha, add ether to the solution (make sure the mixture is cooled by now); do the same thing as with the naptha, except keep the ether portions...do several extractions with ether (very important, because we're shedding weeks off the typical procedure); pour the collected ether portions off into a baking dish, and let evaporate... *emeril voice* bam, dmt freebase.

 

okok...

so there would be no easy way that could make me a quick extract of ok quality, but having shitty yields?

 

see above.


here's a good guide, I just revised it to fit the whole procedure into one day;
http://www.deoxy.org/smokedmt.htm

there is another one out there, which is similar to the one I typed out;

it works.

my only word of caution is be careful around ether; it's extremely volatile, and will evaporate quickly; do it in a cool area, away from any flames, and you'll be alright.

 

Nice!

All that is a bit shady for me is the base and the ether...spraying the starting fluid, theres no special way to do it, its just plain ether?

and the base...naoh I guess ill use...

for the quantity...could I try with an ounce or 2 of mimosa hostilis? Still same quantity of water?

 

yes, grind up the mimosa, and boil it in the water; you can use any amount of water you see fit, just measure pH when adding the vinegar, and later, the NaOH (or ammonia)


oh, and base is base (you're using just OH- ions) ; some are stronger than others, but in this procedure, you don't necesarily need a strong base like NaOH...but use it if you got it, just use less than ammonia; get some pH papers from a chemical store, or pool supply store.

Starting fluid is just diethyl ether, and propane repellant; by spraying it into a jar, the propane disperses in air, and the ether collects in the jar.

also, get a turkey baster, to siphon off layers, pouring off the layers can be a hassle, if you don't have a seperatory funnel.

 

arigh thanx man!

oh and...is there a certain ph that the starting 'soup' has to be when it has boiled down for a few hours?

 

np.

be safe.

 

I've never done salvia and I don't really want to.. An extremely intense very short trip just doesn't sound cool to me. I don't know many people that prefer it.

I don't know which between shrooms and acid.. Shrooms was my first trip, and it was an amazing experience and colors were dancing and I love colors. Acid was also really colorful and I saw more like designs rather than just a modifying of things. I don't know which I prefer though, I'm going to do shrooms again, then maybe I'll know. I loved them both.-

 

Fuck this reminds me I still gotta try salvia. Everyone says its legal, but completely unworth it, and thats why its legal
LSD is by far my fav drug. Mushrooms are too nauseating for me.

 

those cyanescens (sp?) are the strongest shrooms i've ever seen. four friends and i all ate about a gram a piece. 3 of us had death experiences. vision blacked out, paralysis of the body, total ego loss. it was wild. i don't do shrooms anymore. i don't really do LSD anymore, but I would before shrooms. and salvia i thought was a rip off. it was cool for about 30 seconds.

 

this kind of stuff only happened with rotten shrooms for me (blackin out of vision)...usually when its really strong there's more than enough to see

haha you sure it was one gram I know they are strong , but not that strong...

 

then you know what I'm talking about; a gram of those is considered a high dose, avg. dose is in the .4 - .6g range. Cyanescens are no joke; blue meanies are for serious psychonauts.

I don't do lsd anymore, because my better half is against it (poor girl has misconceptions about acid), but I would do blue meanies (I'd probably extract them); she's cool with mushrooms for some reason, probably because she's done them. Me, I'm all about psychedelics.. I could probably do them (annually) until I grow old like Shulgin.

 

Shrooms.

 

lsd all the way..........