LSD respect

btw i dont have a problem with drinking, sometimes you need to take the edge off i understand that. But when comparing it LSD to it is hedonistic..much like cocaine, heroin, and even MDMA to a lesser extent

 

Agreed! In fact, the only thing that LSD & alcohol have in common here is that the after effects are much less uncomfortable than coke, smack (after a few days), and xtc.

 

Alcohol is pretty damned horrible when you really think about it. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the occasional drink and get pretty trashed a few times a year, but it's really a pretty horrible thing overall. Just think of it this way:

What effect does/did releasing alcohol on the world have as a whole?
What effect does/did releasing acid on the world have as a whole?

It's very simplified and pretty assumptuous to think this way, but I think it gets my point across.

 

there are alot of beaten and broken wives and children cause of booze...

there are alot of loving souls who can look up up the sky at night and ponder our fleeting existence on this planet due to LSD...


wheres the arguement

 

Precisely

 

There are a lot of small bars that can afford to book new blues and jam bands because of alcohol. If these bands playing in small bars gather a following, they'll eventually play the venues and festivals where these other substances are found in large quantities.

 

... no alcohol= no music, no music= no acid. Don't hate the roots of the fruits.

 

Is it the alcohol that creates the music, though? I'm pretty sure the musicians would find other outlets if the bar scene didn't exist. In fact, the bar scene would probably just come about in some other manner not related to alcohol. People still need a place to go...

 

Yep, well, nothing like being hypocritical from the start. "Chill out".

I lost interest in your post from the first paragraph, as you couldn't have been any further from being correct. I've tripped many times. I also don't see where this is supposed to be constructive either, oh well.

The second paragraph didn't hold much hope either. You're trying to tell me that a psychedelic drug doesn't allow you to escape reality? You think that someone who's tripping can't forget about having to make car payments, or their work-week? That is escaping reality, and it's VERY easy to do on lsd. Trust me, you don't have to focus on your current situation if you don't feel like it. I can take a walk through the backwoods on acid and forget about everything and to me, that's escaping reality.

If you hate your life and do anything, you're still going to hate your life, don't blame alcohol, or anything else, you're obviously looking at things from a very misunderstanding point of view. Don't blame the medium.

Wow. It really looks like you've got alcohol all figured out. You've obviously done much research in the alcohol field. No sense in trying to enlighten you on the enjoyable aspects of a good strong whiskey, you've already closed your mind. Thats fine though, you'd probably abuse it like "everyone else" right?

Yeah, lets read up on the studies done on marijuana in the 50's and 60's while we're studying alcoholics. Followed by all the PSA's of the time as well. I don't need a scientist from 1953 to tell me what I experience. I don't have anything negative to escape, but I never said what kind of a reality one would be escaping.

Also, it is funny that you've already pegged what my "Drinking habits" are. You truly do believe you've a grasp on the way things are.

You've got a way to go yet, perhaps someday you'll arrive.

 

You may be on to something, six moths ago, I lived in Denver Colorado and went out all the time to hear music. I often thought, would these people even be here if there weren't all these drugs here? Now I live in Japan (there isn't the drugs culture here, they've got draconian drug laws) and go out sometimes and wonder if folks would go out if there wasn't alcohol to drink. I love all sorts of music and I think that musicians and dj's are often raging alcoholics and drug addicts and it feeds the art, just like Jack Kerouac, Lou Reed, Van Gogh. So yes, I'm curious, name a few rock stars who are antil alcohol. It's part of the creative process & lifestyle. I'm going to check out some old Jerry Garcia interviews and see what I can find. Perhaps we can agree that he was an athority on such things?

 

what if I were to tell you drinking has made me a more confident person well sober? ALCOHAL is bad becuase you dont like it. Fun, feels good, party party party is definatly a benefit.

 

dont get me wrong either... i dont have a problem with everyone who drinks. many people i know drink and i dont hold that against them. if they act in a way that is obviously impaired by booze i will make sure they know why i avoid them during those times. if it turns to excessive use i will disappear from their life – not without trying to enlighten them.

i guess i have the benefit of having two alcoholic parents. in low quantities alcohol does not seem to have too much of an effect on ones life – with the occasional social drink or drunk on weekends the negative effects usually go unnoticed. even with my parents and there excessive use it is hard for them to see the damage it has caused- they are in denial, BIG TIME! ... i can see it clear as day - they are pathetic and you can see it in everything they do - you can see it on their face. even when they are sober!!!

i also had troubles with alcohol when i was younger - i only got drunk on the weekend but it was very obvious even to me that this lifestyle was heading for disaster like my parents.

for the social drinker there is probably little to worry about for the most part. unless you plan on getting the most out of this life a few drinks wont really hurt you - you probably will never notice any negative effect. that does not mean that there is none. the way i see it is every hour i spend drinking is an hour of life that i hardly lived. i need to feel awake(conscious) and i stay away from drugs or substances that impair my memory and judgment.

for me, everyday is about learning to become a better person, if i drink all that goes down the tubes - as i start to forget everything i stand for and start to make an ass of my self as i slowly pass out!

if you want to walk the path towards enlightenment know that alcohol use even in low quantities - is like taking the long way around. - and hopefully you wont get lost entirely like most who enjoy alcohol.

 

sounds like a good distraction - hardly a benefit.

learn to be happy and confident on your own man. alcohol is no cure for your insecurities.

you are just looking for excuses and need a crutch to stand on. to scared to come out of your shell without some lube. you dont need it - you are kidding yourself.

 

But getting drunk and acting stupid IS rock&roll. Do you hate rock&roll, or just the lifestyle?

 

you are in the wrong thread buddy.

you see acid as an escape - you are so wrong!

i am not condemning you - i am warning you! there is a big difference.

 

rock and roll is about playing music.

alcohol is about getting drunk.

i think you already know the answer to your question.

 

i was pointing out how ridiculous it is to expect to find an enlightened group of people drinking at a bar. no offence to the OP - as i have been there myself.

those who are enlightened are still growing and are aware that they are on a different level then most - they are not dwelling on it!

you assume too much and are looking to discredit people by suggesting that their comment is invalid just like you said people shouldnt be doing in this thread- you are very hypocritical. and confused.

how can you insult a substance? - it is not a person. look up the definition of 'insult' - i think you will be surprised to learn something.

 

Uh? You're completely wrong. I do accept that it can be an escape though, I've used it for much enlightenment. Unlike you guys, I haven't closed my mind to all the aspects of it.

Edit: at some point, I might even go into detail on a few trips, but right now, it seems like too many people are putting things high up on pedestals and looking down on too many others. Seems like a lame environment to be involved with.

 

LOL...

alcohol is a great way to escape reality. if someone takes acid to escape reality they are in for a rude awakening - even if they dont admit it later.

you obviously dont know what you are talking about. to upset that i had some good points to make about alcohol - something you would rather deny.

 

How can you sit there and tell me that a psychedelic drug doesn't allow you to escape reality, what the hell is your definition of escaping reality? This is absolutely absurd. Do you think that acid brings forth a heightened sense of reality? Visualizations are certainly deep rooted in everyday reality, correct? HAH.

Nearly anything can be an escape from reality, a vacation, home movie, old photo album, pint of JD, hit of acid, anything that takes a person out of their everyday life and gives them a view of something different. I don't see how this is even arguable. You really need to think on this one.