LSD, Ecstasy or Shrooms?

I never said people OD on LSD. And if I did I did not mean to. What I am saying is that the drug leads to people dieing. "LSD can exert a profound indirect effect on physical health. Cases of suicide have occurred after taking LSD and the drug can induce violent or hazardous behavior, resulting in death or injury to the user or others." -cgi.www.recovery.org.uk/druginfo/index.html
If the person was not taking LSD the person probablly wouldn't have gotten injured or killed themself or others. I was at a call where there were 3 teens that took a huge ammount of LSD and one of the kids shot at another with his dad's gun. All 3 lived, but the kid who got shot was in ICU for 2 weeks.

Oh and BTW: Overdosing does not mean you die or are even sent to the hospital. You can overdose on carrots, your skin turns light orange, that is overdosing too.

 

On the contrary - that's exactly what the word "overdose" in this context refers to.

Orange tinted skin from excessive beta-carotene consumption is not a symptom of "overdose" in fact beta-carotene has no significant toxicity at even extremely high dosages.

 

there is a lot of misinformation and over simplifying in this thread.
i agree that all psychedelics should be treated with respect, and the user should have factual knowledge before use.

you claim that shrooms are "safe" and i agree, but you also claim that LSD is somewhat less safe, and in this i don't agree.
on a physical health level, both shrooms and LSD do not affect your health what so ever. your physical wellbeing is unaffected with even the most heavy of use.
on a mental level, both shrooms and LSD could have an affect, especially with heavy use, and even with light use if you are predisposed to things like schizophrenia.
on a fatal level both shrooms and LSD are safe, you will not fatally OD!

now, you say that people may hurt themselves or others while under the effects of LSD, but you claim that shrooms are "safe". Shrooms and LSD produce very similar trips. over stimulated thinking, tracers, visual distortions(waving, melting, fractal patterns), which are all dependent on dose.
how can you claim that people may do something on LSD and not on shrooms?
yes, some people cant handle the effects of psychedelics, but most have an uncomfortable few hours and go on with their life. but there is only a very minute percentage of people that have taken LSD or Shrooms and purposefully hurt themselves. unless you are already mentally unstable, than this wont happen. of course someone may take shrooms or LSD and accidentally hurt themselves, but that could be said about any substance that you take into your body. as i said in the beginning, know what your taking, know about set, and setting. know what the effects are and how long they will last. be safe.

you also said that you have treated patients who had been taking LSD and almost died because of the drug.... the worst thing about "acid" is users always think they are taking LSD, where as the "acid" was a different chemical that produces not so desirable effects, not LSD. i presume that in these cases you didn't test the patients for presents of LSD. if you would of, they you would most likely find that these patients didn't take LSD at all, but took a blotter that contained a research chemical in the DO"x" family or bromo-dragonfly. both of which could be potentially fatal if taken in the right dose, and cause un-desirable effects, especially if the user was expecting LSD, or if it was their first time and didn't know what to expect at all.

as with all psychedelics, know the substance, know yourself, and have a good setting.

most importantly of all, don't believe anything you read on an internet forum... do some real research from an un-biased resource

i have done my own research over the years, and also have a few dozen first hand experiences with shrooms, LSD, 2-CE, and mescaline.
there have also been a few time where i have taken something that i thought was LSD and turned out to be a research chemical instead, i have learned to tell the difference. i have used many psychedelics with many different types of people of different ages, and have spent a fair amount of time in psychedelic forums debunking myths. if you have any questions or comments about any type of psychedelic, id be glad to discuss it with you.

 

i would disagree. overdose could cause death, but simply refers to dosing over the intended amount, or having the effects of the dose be more than what you intended. OD has taken on a more exaggerated name than is intended in most cases. in the context of shrooms or LSD, i would say that it is fairly common to overdose, because of the fact that the used rarely know the amount of the active ingredient in the given medium.
overdosinging is usually referred to as something negative, and in most cases is, but to dose over the amount you intended is not always negative, though is in most cases not wanted.

 

I've done all three, and shrooms are my favorite of the three. The only way to know which is best for you is to try them all.

 

just for clarification sake, even though you might not have meant to say it you sure did on the first page

 

No sir my good man.
I never said overdose implies death necessarily.
I can see how the word can be used as you say but an "excessive dose" in this context (drugs and their physiological workings) implies an acute toxic effect due to the dosage. Not that you simply took too much for comfort.

 

Never said shrooms were "safe". I said they were less harmful than LSD or X.

Never claimed that either. Please stop putting words in my mouth.

I cannot run tests in my ambulance to find out if they are on LSD. They said they were on LSD, showed the signs of being on LSD, I found the drug in their house, when we got to the hospital they tested what I found, it was LSD, and all 3 kids had LSD in their system. So, they were on LSD.

Oh and for Eeso: Overdosing does not mean you die at all! Or are even sent to the hospital! Not even in this context. You can overdose on water, tomatoes, ANYTHING. In the illegal drug context (which we are using now) an overdose is taking an ammount of the drug that produces an undesired effect. Not nesicarily death, but sickness, injury. Or as my paramedic friend likes to put it "an overdose is when a drug [or any other substance] is taken in quantities and/or concentrations large enough to overwhelm someones homeostasis, causing illness or death". Illness does not mean hospitalization in all cases.

Listen, I really don't give a crap if you guys feel like ODing on a drug. Go ahead. As long as I don't have to treat you then it is fine. I don't like saving OD patients anyway because they always do the shit to themselves...and tend to throw up all over my damn ambulance.

 

You can't overdose on LSD accidentally, you need to consume lots and lots.
My friend did an entire vial of lsd, around 150 hits, or 15000ug, and she lives, had a hell of a trip though, she sat in a corner and cried for 3 hours.
OVERDOSE in terms of LSD and Shrooms means taking too much, and having too intense a trip, and probably having a bad trip.
People you have treated in your ambulance most likely had very bad trips.
Suicide on LSD is caused by a bad trip, or megalomania (thinking you are invincible) If you have half a brain you don't die on LSD, those that do die, shouldn't have been on the drug in the first place.
LSD I have found is the most feared yet misunderstood drug, I personally have done it every weekend for 2 months straight at times and have had no problems with trails or tracers, shrooms actually give me trails, but luckily they go away after about 2-3 weeks, and are slight, I have to stare at 1 spot while something fast moving goes by to notice them.

 

I have those shroom trails.

 

Bloody hell - Are you even reading what you're replying to, or what you're writing?

You just contradicted yourself three times in that one paragraph.

You just quoted the definition I quoted for "overdose" that's a few posts back.
Is your paramedic friend the University of Newcastle online medical dictionary? 'Cause that's where that is from.

Who's putting words in whose mouth?

Allow me to quote my second post in this thread, bolded for your pleasure:

You can't "overdose" on tomatoes, tomato is not a chemical compound. You can however OD on tomatine (a glycoalkaloid present in some parts of some tomato plants) Or for example other glycoalkaloids in say potatoes.

You are correct however in your assertation that any compound can be 'overdosed' on in theory; but the reality is you simply can't overdose on certain things without a huge exceptional circumstance, say injecting pure thc iv. or eating 20+mg of pure LSD. Things that are all but unheard of.

As your carrot example: the LD50 of beta-carotene is over 5 grams/KG orally in rats. Which means, if we assume the same is true for humans (it's not but rat LDs are generally pretty close) I would have to ingest almost half a kilo of pure beta-carotene at once to have a 50% chance of an overdose resulting in death. Extrapolate downward for lesser overdose possibilities as there is no "effective dose" for that compound to measure by. You couldn't possibly eat enough carrots to overdose on beta-carotene.

"overdosing" is a purely physiological phenomena - if someone freaks out on a few hits of acid that's NOT an overdose as defined in the context of pharmacology. An overdose is about chemistry not psychology. Renal failure, respiratory depression, excessive hyperthermia, coma - those are symptoms of overdose.

I'm not even sure what it is you're arguing with me about.

 

Umm I am not arguing with you about anything at this point. Your origional post on overdosing said (or at least read) that you thought people could only OD when dieing or being sent to the hospital. You can OD on something and not die OR go to the hospital (or even need to go to the hospital). I never contradicted myself. And I know exactly what I am talking about.

You are arguing over VERY VERY minute details when you say that you can't OD on a tomato, only the compounds found in tomatoes. I know it is the compound in the tomato that you could OD on, I am a freakin EMT, give my profession some credit for christ sake.

In terms of the carrot arguement: I said it is POSSIBLE to OD on anything, not probable, likely, or any other word you want to use, but POSSIBLE...POSSIBLE...POSSIBLE.

FYI: I never said if someone "freaks out" it is an OD. It is an OD if the drug changes brain chemistry (even you said it was a matter of "chemistry, not psycology") to the point where the person is convinced to kill themself or other people. Brain chemsitry effects your psycology (simple fact), and drugs effect your brain chemistry, therefore if your brain chemistry is messed up your psycological state is also not in the normal state. Therefore (and this is by your own arguement), if ODing is about "chemistry", then "psycology" is also affected, hence why people have been known to kill or hurt themselves or others while on drugs. Thank you and have a nice day!

 

i enjoy acid the most

 

Conceded.
However in that post I interperted "..or are even sent to the hospital." to mean 'ideally requireing medical treatment.' It was poorly worded and I should have clarified.

The point is "acute toxic effects"

Words mean things. Except titles, titles mean nothing. Science and the discussion of such requires precision. I was only picking apart your post in the same way you mine. Pedantic perhaps, but C'est la vie.

Yes but you also said that the orange hue from eating alot of carotene via carrots was an example of overdose. It's no such thing.

No it's not, that's drug induced psychosis. Not the same thing.

You still seem to be missing the point, and perhaps coincidentally that paragraph seems to have none.

You too bro.
Cheers.

 

i chose LSD as my favorite, but for a first timer, i would say start with shrooms.
not because shrooms are less intence, they are not!, but because its more likey that what the dealer is selling you are reall shrooms, where as with acid its usually a toss up unless you have a known source.

 

Yo I'm not even gonna argue anymore, no point. Like I said, if you all want to OD on a drug then go right ahead, just don't be in Northern New Hampshire when you do it cause I am not gonna treat your ass.

 

Fair enough bro, I personally intend to never OD

You might want to research "duty to act" cases in your state though being a licensed first responer...

as far as the topic of this thread - I agree with Wonka 100%.
Though cid is rare around here, and I do love shrooms.

 

Off duty I am not reqiured to help anyone, unless I am waving my certification around telling everyone on the street I am an EMT and then there is an accident or illness or something. Other than that I don't have to do shit. Since I am not currently employed (just decided to move back with my parents because EMT's and almost all Emergency Medical posistions get padi CRAP so I couldn't afford my apartment anymore and the ambulance service I was with does not have positions open up here). So I don't have to do crap for anyone.

 

haha - ok,ok, mang I'm done, let it die
(the thread that is).
*rimshot*

 

Ok so you coemin hear telling peopel you care and telling them how to not OD, then you back it up by saying you dont have to do shit for anyone. could you live with your self knowing you could save some ones life but didnt?