Love the rapport, yet another live writhing thread

No, not only remembered, but known before falling alseep. As for my sleep itself, I already said my knowledge is not all knowledge. Was, is, my knowledge any less what it was, is, for my slumber? Would it take my death to convice you otherwise?

 

Whatever sum Dejavu had cyphered form that saying, it had nothing to do with what thedope said as he began to tell Dejavu something he had known but had not remembered or perceived in the moment in relation to the present calculus, "Creation is a law without opposite, and you quoted me backwards and out of proportion, what misperception, what miscreant thing exists? I never said knowledge only leads to perception, until this recounting of your statement, I said perception is not knowledge but can lead to it. Can does not imply does, or always. Shared being is ongoing and in it's going on is it's completion being not yet to be but effervescent."

 

"Among many other things," replied thedope, "what you have not said is what you perceived while you were asleep."

 

"As though it were to my knowledge!" laughed Dejavu.

 

"And yet it is." said Dejavu. "How does it lead to it if it is itself not knowing, if it is itself not knowledge?" Like he'd said, there was nothing more for him to say that spoke to thedopes understanding of the matter.

 

Laughter is the result of seeing yes and no in the same place, an overflowing of capacity. In this instance the answer to thedopes question was nothing and Dejavu said he didn't know thinking perception and knowledge inseparable, but, nothing doesn't exist and being is never unknowing, even when you are asleep.

 

"What do you know in sleep thedope?" laughed Dejavu. "You are now trying to give me the final piece of the puzzle in convincing you that knowledge is perception! You, who say we are not our bodies, is telling me being knows itself asleep! So, will you now answer my last question?" Dejavu meant post 85.

 

"And?," inquired thedope
"You know you sleep and you know there are times when you have no perception of being asleep. The mind never sleeps and the body being a machine can be walked away from and left to idle as long as there is fuel and a spark." thedope didn't subscribe to the meat headed view.

 

"You only pretend we're not our bodies because of a superstition, not even your own, that we could become our corpses!" laughed Dejavu, seeing thedope was offering no answers for his denial that knowledge is always perceived. "I don't subscribe to your coma, christian."

 

"Knowledge is being shared. You have being and it is always shared whether you perceive it or not. Perception gives the ability to apprehend within a certain bandwidth of stimuli. Perception leads to knowledge in this way, seek and you shall find, knock and it will be opened to you, ask and you shall receive. Being is complete, knowledge is complete, perception is limited in scope. Perception leads to knowledge in this way, seek and you shall find. When you are young before you learn to tie your shoe you might say I can't tie my shoe but with practice or a broader sampling you discover that yes indeed you could tie your shoe but even more at the beginning tying your shoe seemed difficult but as you learned to make the shapes with your body required for shoe tying it becomes easier to the point that you no longer need to pay attention and you could tie your shoe in the dark hanging upside down if of course you managed to get your hands on the shoelaces. A paradigm shift happens and suddenly you are a tier of shoes. How it occurs, this shift from neophyte or practitioner to adept or what timing is required, I do not know Dejavu

 

"It is my pretense Dejavu that we are not our bodies but our bodies are a communication device that allows us to operate in a certain bandwidth of frequencies but I do not pretend nor do I adhere to any superstition. I have been present at the moment of disincorporation several times and felt the rising of some essence and seen the difference between a corpse and a living person and I can testify that a corpse is definitely not a living person, nor was a corpse ever a living person nor in any corpse did I recognize a living person. This is not something that I expected or believed would happen and had no previous frame of refference for it. However I have recognized a life shared with my own beyond the event of disincorporation. You don't become a corpse because you never were a corpse but spirit, breath," said thedope. Of course the saying of it had been heard before by Dejavu to no convincing detail as Dejavu was set in his imagination or a dream of indefinite life while being in a definite body.

 

"Remember when this was written in one of these livewriting threads that keep popping up?!" he laughed.

Dejavu had heard countless times thedope say that the body was a communication device, even though it isn't. That the body is its own communication is an argument to his mind, but only in his mind, thought Dejavu, with designs to expand thedopes considerations.

Yes, unlike thedope, Dejavu definitely thought there was no life beyond its embodiment.

 

Yes, like Dejavu thedope thought. "Life is not an it," thedope said, "and as to the body being it's own communication I have said to you the human body is common currency of the species, the human body does not belong to you although you are welcomed in using it. The species makes many copies in order to insure diversity and adaptability"

 

"Life is not a what?!" replied Dejavu to thedopes nonsensical statement. "Life's what it is. That you say it's not its body is only the lying reinforcement of your belief in disembodiment, not that you know it to be lying." Dejavu could swallow none of the vapid pap thedope offered him about the body being a device of the mind. "To what end do you think the body is a 'device' thedope?" he asked.

 

"Well there is the shitty end as an engine of metabolic combustion but I really don't think the body is an ending, the body is a communication device, a biological machine. In case you missed it the answer was communication, replied thedope.

 

"No, I didn't miss it, so now, in your thinking the body only a machine for communication, and I finding it to be intelligent, itself a communication, what do you mean to communicate by the lie that we're not our bodies? That we're not our means of communication, not our very lives?" said Dejavu.

 

"Communion" said thedope, "the act or instance of sharing, in this world we exist for and with each other."

 

"Then I can't fault you" laughed Dejavu, not that he'd ever try to, finding thedopes heart to be in as good a shape as his own despite their heads forever butting in the rebuttal of individual expression.

 

"So glad to have relieved us of our objections," enjoined thedope

 

"I must object," laughed the little mouse. "For when the body is communication to reach communion, why is it that humanity is for ever divided in men and women? Not only their bodies rarely compatible, but their mind alien to each other as if they were different species and not each other's complement? And even when thy fit they do not share but take as much as they can from the other, or give as much as they have to give and sometimes even more than they should." Shaking her head the little mouse nibbles on her sticky toffee cheese. "No, the body is not made for communion, it might communicate, but that has more to do with nature than the conveying or reason."