Love and Hate

which reminds me, has anyone else been to Michigan?

*nevermind I dont want to derail this nice thread. sorry for this stupid quesiton!

 

Ahh, but now you are contradicting yourself, dear lady

Is hate indifference or something with some emotion? Very different things.

And, to use a little rules of basic logic... saying that All that is indifferent lacks emotion does not mean that all that lacks emotion is indifferent.

So no, I'm not saying that all that is emotionless is the counterpart of love, nor am I saying that love encompasses all emotion.

You seem to be looking at "hate" and "love" in very direct terms. It's like saying that Satan is the opposite of God. It sounds right on an elementary level, but when you actually read into it and think of it... it is not true.

 

If you care enough to nuture, then I guess the opposite could be you caring so little to destroy. It's easy to get wrapped up in semantics when describing emotions. It's not unlike trying to describe the color blue. It is what it is.

To be unromantic about it, love is a chemical reaction, a type of memory meant to reforce the knowledge that something sustains you in a meaningful way, whether it be your physical, mental, financial, social, sexual, or spiritual self.

 

Yet something still drives one to destroy. No one destroys for the sake of destroying, there is always some emotion behind it, no matter how small.

Which is why it cannot be indifference.

 

! So true! ok good night friends thats enough of me already

 

Then hate is a type of memory meant to reforce the knowledge that something imperils you in a meaningful way, whether it be your physical, mental, financial, social, sexual, or spiritual self.

 

Sure,

But at the same time science is a cheap and easy ticket to explaining stuff.
It's right there next to religion in the "Give people easy answers so that they'd stop asking questions and start functioning like good robots in society" caregory.

 

Yes, yes, I did contradict myself, but this is a debate, and I am trying to look at it from all sides.

Hate is indifference and hate is emotion, as contradictory as that is. Hate is all that is bad that you can feel (or not feel) compounded into one. There are many levels of hate. I can hate something by just not caring for it, or I can hate something by caring for it immensely. It just all depends on the circumstances of the hate.

Branching beyond the elemantary level of this, I can see that you have some really good ideas, but I see some truth in mine as well.

Hate is just as complex and multilayered as love, but most people oversimplify the dimensions of which we can hate, and make love all the more complex because it's easier to think that which is good is intelligent and complicated, and that which is bad is dumb and simple to comprehend.

 

Knowledge does not come cheap.

 

True, as opposite as Science and Religion seem, they are so closely bound together.

Deceptively easy answers to that which has no answer.

 

I do see your point, but do give me an example of hate through indifference. It's a curious concept.

I agree, both are complex and so on and people glorify love... but honestly, isn't it much easier to hate than to love?

 

All I's saying is that I'd rather talk it out than accept it.

...and when it comes to science... I'd much rather have someone teach me how to plant a garden, build a massive fire, survive in the wild, and so on than teach me chemical explanations for the emotions which drive me to want to learn how to plant a garden, build a massive fire, survive in the wild, and so on.

 

Hate through indifference:

There's an old friend of mine who I see every once in a while in various stores and such around the town. She did something very shitty to me and we stopped talking. Every time I used to see her I would seethe with hate and whatever, but now when I see her, I know the hate is still there, but I feel nothing. I look at her and I just don't even care anymore. She is nothing to me and her friendship was nothing and my pain was nothing and I just don't care. If she lives or dies, if she's happy or sad, it means nothing to me. My hate has evolved (or maybe devolved?) to the point where my I realize my energy shouldn't be wasted on someone so unworthy of it.

And I have to disagree, I think it's much easier to love and forgive than it is to hate. Do you see all these women who get beat by their husbands and constantly go back to them, professing undying love? Or the child who was abused by their mother/father and still defends them and loves them? Or anybody who has been repaetedly shit on and keeps going back for more.

Love is more comfortable, therefore it is more easy.

 

Whatever is uncovered during investigations into the nature of things has nothing to do with belief systems based on conjecture. Certain religions may try to take an adversarial stance against science, but science is agnostic, as it can neither prove or disprove an untestable theory.

 

Hmm... from your example it just seems like the hate has evaporated into indifference. How can there still be hate if you feel none of it, and just know that it's still there?

Love cannot be easier than hate. Practically every person in this world hates... hate requires no thought, no effort. People hate for a million different reasons, but people hate. One person might hate people because of their skin colour, another person may hate every person that does him wrong in some way, and so on. Hate is so widespread in humanity that it is not only easy, it is actually perceived as completely natural. Hate is also much more comfortable than love, a million times more comfortable. Hate requires no justification, no compassion, no return, it's purely personal. Love, on the other hand hurts. Love can be one sided, love can lead to lots of emotional distress, love can cause drama, love hurts... love can also be beautiful and comforting, but it does not have the eternal comfort of hate. Hating is easy... any person can decide to hate, but love... love is something that we have little control over, love is capricious, it's unexpected, and anything but easy.

 

They don't go back to situations like that because of "love" though. They go back because of fear- of the person hurting them, of hurting the person, of being alone, or having to make changes.... could be fear in many different ways but I'd defiantly say it's out of fear and not love.

 

Jeez, I told you at the start it was gonna be the unromantic explanation. It's not my fault if you didn't stop reading at that point.

 

What I wrote has nothing to do with your explanation. I was making a general statement.

 

Just like practically every person in this world loves. Hate is easy, but love is easier.

What most people pass off as hate is really fear, but no one wants to admit to a fear, so they stamp hate on it and people accept it. Fear of difference.

I don't think love requires much thought or effort, either. Love just is. If you feel love, you feel it, and if you don't, you don't. You are born feeling love, love towards those who bore you, but you start to hate things later in life.

And if hate takes emotion and is not indifferent, then you spend all this time thinking about your hatred and wasting your hours hating it and holding it in contempt and stressing about it and losing sleep over it. You contemplate how to eradicate it. You obsess over it until it is the focal point in your life. It becomes huge.

Let's take a completely homophobic man. He sees gay guys and he develops this hatred for them based on his fear. He lets it eat him alive and he loses sleep. One day, he kills a gay man (ala American Beauty).

If he had just loved and accepted he could've gone on with his life and it would've never bothered him. He could've lived and he would've never lost sleep and none of that would've happened.

Love is so much easier because true hate (or fear) consumes you.

 

People are usually not stressed by their hate, they find a comfort in it... it gives them something to blame. I shalt not go into repeating myself though, because I will just say what I said in the post above.

I agree though, it is fear, but fear generates hate and hate generates fear... they are not exclusive.

Love consumes people more than hate. People do everything for love, and are completely destroyed emotionally when they loose it in one form or another.

Now I must go to sleep.

As Bill O'Reilly says: "I'll let you have the last word"