Libertarian: Pro gun Hippy

Well, then you don't give a shit about the environment, unless you're just ignorant about the effects of dumping carbon into the air.

 

I give a shit about the environment sir, it is you who are being ignorant. Its a simple of a matter as just building it OVER the trees and keeping safety in mind and making sure dumbasses don't fuck up >:O

 

Can we have a separate thread about the environment please? Here I'll make several threads now for each political topic I can think of.

 

OK, I'm going to butt out, but IJWTS that Mr so-called hippy has just proven himself to be ignorant about the real issue concerning Keystone XL.

 

why are you being so hostile man, if you have a problem with me, do try to enlighten me through a pm if you mean ignorant as in an asshole then I take offense to that if you mean ignorant as in unknowing then i will admit to that I don't know everything about the keystone pipeline, other then that they could build it over the trees, and if taken care of properly would not have an oil leak, and would thus not harm the animals. Please pm me and help educate me more so that I might see if I have changed my mind. But who are you to define who is a hippie.

 

See how this conversation devolved?

Why didn't the person who was against the Keystone pipeline go into the technicalities of the procedure of how the pipe line is constructed and is going to be operational that they disagreed with?

Instead the debate got personal and now everybody reacting off of the personal comment of calling someone ignorant rather than the facts that could support someone's view over someone else.

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(Note: I'm posting this latter half of this post in my US energy thread too)

My subjective view about the keystone pipeline is this:

1. The pipeline goes through a lot of personal people's lands and the company is trying to bully citizen landowners to give them permission so the pipeline can run through their land. I don't think this is cool, nor do I think many libertarians would support this kinda of move to leverage consent from a private citizen for a business project. (Not everyone wants to be bought)

2. I am concerned about drilling fracking methods because I talked to some geologists and the fracking technique for drilling for natural gas and oil, involves literally creating fractures in the rocks, which are commonly known to us as faults.

In theory, the more faults there are, the higher the potential for Earthquakes, which cause property damage, which would eat into whatever profits the oil and natural gas would bring to a local community.

So I ask, what's the true liability/assets ratio when big oil, and natural gas projects are launched?

 

I did not know these facts before hand, I do not support the bullying of land owners , so now I no longer support the keystone pipeline.

 

It's all over youtube.

And like I said, I'm a citizen of this country that does his own research and interviews. It's what my schooling and parents taught me to do, especially around politics.

 

Thank you for for the information, and not insulting me in the process

 

I do my best. The only times I might say comments that sound abrasive would be in response to someone whose policies or statement was a fallacy or seems to undercut pragmatism and/or seems callous; even then that's not a personal attack. It's just not my style.

 

On another note Meagain, your location, is that a real place? whats it like there if it is, because I have never heard of it.

 

Hey, guys, I'm sorry I was rude. I guess the combination of someone calling themselves a hippie while being pro-gun and pro-Keystone just pushed me over the edge. But now, thanks to monk, I can see that Mr hillbillyhippie has an open mind, wants to learn, and just doesn't have the facts that many of us have.

But I just need to say before i go that even monk hasn't stated the real reason all of us should be against Keystone. It's because we shouldn't be encouraging global warming, we should be doing all we can to minimize the very real dangers of disease, starvation, wars over water, etc, that global warming will cause over the next 100 years. Keystone is designed to enable the world to burn some of the dirtiest fuel, dumping huge amounts of carbon into the atmosphere. And there's very little benefit to Americans. Only 2000 permanent jobs will be created and since the dirty oil will be exported, it will do nothing to lower gas prices here.

 

They were going to export the oil! I was thinking it would lower gas prices here, and we wouldn't have to depend on foreign oil, and during that time , we could do some research on cleaner burning fuels, and green vehicles.

Although I still don't think being pro-gun doesn't mean I can't be a hippie. I asked Mary, and shes a back in the day hippie, they were very pro gun in The Haight

 

I think you should stop worrying about what other people consider to be hippy/non hippy.

I'd be willing to bet that most people who are classified as hippies would think that the keystone pipeline is some sort of head shop

 

huh?

 

What about that isn't clear?

 

lol sorry computer must of messed up, when I read the post, it just said

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I was like....is that an abbreviation

 

Oh I see. I'm typin on my phone and accidently hit submit with my big thumbs. I had to go back and edit

 

Its all good brother