Pride's a sin, and so is rebelllion. And I don't know how you even came up with all that stuff... I told you my oppinion on what a Christian is, and almost everybody on this forum will agree. If you don't believe me, why don't you just post a new thread on this topic? I want to get back on topic here. And as a Christian I'll just submit. God Bless you.
If you're gonna call The secular German science magazine, P.M., Christian, you're correct according to your beliefs, since they started the 'dinosaur in cave paintings' thing.
Well why don't you give us a link to some information here then? Is this German magazine claiming that humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time, or just that they found these paintings on the walls? I could find nothing online about it at all.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.M._Magazin http://www.pm-magazin.de/de/ (homepage) Have fun translating it all. This magazine is secular. (of Coarse, Germany's really secular... ) But it once had something about the Dinosaurs with humans cave-paintings thing... I believe it started it. Either it was that magazine or National Geographic, not really sure, but it was definately one of the two. I wasn't saved back then when I saw it, so I payed no special attention. The paintings can be found in the Lascaux caves in France.
Well there is a big difference between reporting the discovery of cave paintings that looked like large lizards or dinosaurs, and claiming that humans and dinosaurs walked the planet at the same time.
I think they said there was a possibility. But I'm not that sure...hafta find the magazine again... And it's true that those things are totally different, but they go hand-in-hand. It provides evidence.
good evidence would be dinosaur fossils found with homanid ones...or the ark [no, not just a lump under a glacier, but the acctual thing]... im sorry ryu, but with the rasoning that you use, it would also be correct to infer that we lived with dinosaurs cause of "Jurrassic Park" the film, and that Jesus was a white Anglo-Saxon, that most of the stories in the Weekly World News is true, or, well you get the picture http://hipforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1183528&postcount=46 <- this is the post you made that has the carvings and whatnot...
You got a new sig! And your post totally confused me! you gave me a link to my post with claims of dinosaur findings, and then you say this: No. I don't! ^^; Why would it be correct to infer that? How else did the paintings of dinosaurs or big lizards get there? .... Great, now we're off topic again! What does the Leviathan and the Behemoth sound like to you?
There are no cave paintings of dinosaurs. To argue that primitive man must have lived among them to paint them wouldn't be any kind of valid argument even if there were such paintings. Have you ever seen a picture of a unicorn? Do you imagine that they too must once have been on set along with humans? How could they have depicted them otherwise? Also, since in India and other places there are many staues and paintings of Hindu gods, we'd have to accept that they too are real, and once lived on earth if we accept your spurious logic.
I believe there is a good chance one or more of the above mentioned creatures exists....but certainly not that dinosaurs and humans coexisted, and most definitely no that the world is 9,000 years old....a person really deserves to be ridiculed for believing that, its just obviously not true.
im sure there are accutal sea creatures [not in lakes like nessie, but acctual sea creatures (most likely reptilian)] as well as a large upright walking ape covered in fur...some of the accounts seem quite realistic, and it is too common and consistant of a wide spread idea among native peoples to be purely fantasy... but im me i used to watch those programs on discovery channel all the time as a kid, i was probobly brainwashed
I accept they're real...demons. But Didn't you see my previous comments? A SECULAR magazine was showing images of these cave paintings.
A secular magazine showing pictures of cave paintings that look like dinosaurs (or, more accurately, reptiles) doesn't mean humans and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time, or that the magazine was even trying to claim that. Unfortunatly I don't know German, and have yet to find a non-religious source in the language that I do know making that claim. But BTW, I'm not debating that some german magazine showed pictures of cave paintings. The debate is if men and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time - like you stated. Which is a rediculous claim that has NO real evidince supporting it, and a plethera of evidence to the contrary.
Shocking enough, I found the article (published 2002) didn't think I could actually find it... (http://www.pm-magazin.de/de/heftartikel/ganzer_artikel.asp?artikelid=249 ) The article's title says "Were there Humans Before Humans?" It does claim that there could have been a time when dinosaurs and man coexisted. And Due tofossils and ENGRAVEMANTS...not paintings, sorry. :& (oh well, close enough...) And yes, it did talk about the thought that they could have been fake ( which they stated was most likely not so ) And it ain't a Christian AT ALL...it talks about evolution and 50000+ years stuffs. Debating that Homo Sapiens could have been on this Earth MUCH longer than 50000 years. Oh well, God bless you!
To get back to cave paintings - when some new paintings were discovered in the south of France during the 1930's they were shown to Pablo Picasso, whose only comment was 'We have learned nothing!'
I guess to get things back onto topic for ya Ryu, Leviathan: I don't think it defines any animal in paticular. In different biblical passages it seems to denote different dangerous or large creatures. I think leviathan is somewhat like "monster" or "enemy" or a word like that in our language that doesn't define a specific thing, but more of a descriptive word.
