Legalizing Psychedelics : A Fool's Logic

If I'm the "19 year old" in question I totally don't remember saying or thinking that I'm pretty sure I'm not too bad at seeing things from other points of view. And I understand why drugs are illegal, and how it's been done. I've devoted a lot of thought to putting myself in others shoes with that. I don't have anyone for being afraid of drugs, I hate the people who manipulated them to become afraid to serve their own purposes.

Of course it can happen, whatever it is.... EVEN some guy showing up and telling me he's got mephedrone when it's 2C-E and killing me COULD happen, but I take precautions to help make sure it does NOT happen.

But I still don't think you have to be "fully" developed to use drugs. There's a difference between fully developed and adult, an adult is a functional human developed enough to be answerable for themselves, enough so that that responsibility transfers over from their parents and their parents can no longer be considered responsible for this persons actions. So, if your parents are not responsible for you or what you do, you should be able to make your own decisions about what you take. You should, of course, have access to the information that you're not done changing yet and that drug use could affect this, but I know this, most people do. The other day I was talking about it with my drug using buddies, someone said they'd read 27 for and end to PHYSICAL growth, while I personally have read that until dementia sets in, the brain does NOT stop developing. (How else could you keep learning?) It's not like we don't know, however I am of the opinion that I am developed enough to carefully use psychedelics to help guide that development.

If this doesn't read very well, I just rolled out of bed, my apologies.

 

So it should be determined by abiding our cultural framework more than anything having to do with an individual's autonomous reaction or thoughts on the matter. Your initial response exhibits the kind of selfish thinking I'm talking about LOL. 27 is ~25. ~= about

Many peoples brains start deteorating in their 60's. That's why the majority of elderly people are more sucesptible to things like alzheimers, dementia and degenerative disorders. As far as I'm aware its a steady level of neurological give and take between ~25-60.

 

your brain continues to change throughout your life. this is known as "neuronal plasticity." but i do believe it does the majority of its developing up until ~25.
those aren't the same thing. developing is maturation, structures are growing and forming. change is just synapse rearrangement.

 

When humans where a bit more "natural", 25 might be wizened, 35 might be an elder.

Also, AGAIN, you might not be fully "developed", but that does not mean you're not far past having someone make your decisions for you. It's your right to decide what you're going to take. Taking some things might be a bad idea, or taking some amounts of some things at some ages might be a bad idea, but that's up to me, and if I was out of control, my family and friends. The government is neither family or friend, they're here to protect us from OTHERS. "serve and protect", yada yada yada.

Saying 27 was agreeing with you, that you slow down around 25, by the way. But also making the point that while it could be 27, that does not mean we can limit what a 27 year old does to themselves, they're nearly half way through their life! We're not preparing for life, life is here and now. Decisions should take into account that there's still a lot to live for and to plan for and allow for, but just because things keep developing does not mean psychedelics should not be legal to save people FROM half of their lives, FOR the latter (and less eventful, often) half of their lives, thereby PREVENTING them from fully utilizing ANY of their lives.

Developed or not, it's YOUR life, MY life, WHOEVERS life. It's not selfish to refuse to cede control of my life because of my age. It's MY fucking development, and the outcome is the future ME. It's MY business how I affect that development.

The age of majority is the age where enough development has taken place that you're basically, for all intents and purposes, and adult. Changes happen, development happens. But you're all growed up, you act on your own and are responsible on your own.

If you're arguing that you're more mature at 25 than 18, you'll find no argument here. If you're saying this should be taken into account when taking drugs, I very much agree (For example, I personally have decided to go VERY easy on MDMA until I'm older, I plan to take it on special occasions for now, but to generally reverse the pattern of most peoples use through their lives, because of neurotoxicity. I need that seratonin system working well, for all the psychedelics I love) but if you're saying there should be a method to legally control the drugs taken by people based on their age over 18, I strongly disagree.

 

I understand what you're saying but you are adopting a cultural framework on the issue, which I have no qualms with whatsoever, but its kind of against that initial argument you had of "My brain is mine and no one can tell me what to do with it." Well according to Jewish tradition a 13 year old is responsible enough to make their own decisions as adult. But I think 21 would be a good age to adopt in American Society in the hypothetical scenario they were legalized.

 

I would have no problem with that, IF we also made people under 21 tried as minors, and generally adjusted everything to be 21.

I don't think that it's okay to make people responsible as adults in one sense, and not another.

I personally hate the fact that kids are being tried as adults, younger and younger, all the time. Either it's 18, or it's not 18. I think if I can get a crime on my record as an adult for the charge of minor in consumption (as I recently have) there's SERIOUS problems. Either I'm an adult, or I'm not. I should not be liable as an adult for doing something when I'm too young to do it.

I think 18 is a good age because it's not an unreasonable demand to place on parents, and because at the age of 18, you're getting to the point where you don't need or want that kind of oversight. You might THINK that at 14, yes, but things really change in the run up to 18, for me between the ages of 15 and 17, EVERYTHING changed, and pretty much slowed down again. Even basic things, like self control (I couldn't go ten minutes without thinking about taking a toke, now I love pot and all, but it's no big deal, I don't "fiend" anymore, that was something that ended before the end of high school)

18 is where you can no longer be controlled by a parent as a minor, in any practical sense, and where you can think for yourself. And because I believe in strong personal freedoms, I think at the age of 18 you should have the right to mess up on your own.

If it meant full drug legalization, I would say that 21 is acceptable, with the stipulation that your parents can supervise you as they currently can with alcohol.

 

i completely agree with post #64, roorshack

 

Even after that Uh Oh thread you think under 21 is a good age ?

 

i wasn't as dumb as him when i was 12. i don't think he'll be much better in three years.

 

:rofl: I think that's probably the most irrefutable argument in this entire thread.

 

and if anything, he'd be evidence that we need to be older to get a driver's license

 

I'm 27 and I'm not nearly as mature as a should be. I guess I'm pretty mature, mentally, but I'm very immature, from an emotional standpoint. It's gravy though. The world can kiss my dick.

 

err, is this me we're talking about, that shouldn't have a drivers license?

I'll tailgate your ass for that, as soon as I'm done running this light in front of a carpool minivan full of toddlers.


......but really, I drive under the speed limit, to maximize MPG and vehicle life, not to mention MY life, if I drive at all

 

not you, roorshack

 

I have several books on this and similar topics, I studied psychology for a time in college; this is indeed correct and irrefutable. 'The Mind and the Brain: Neuroplasticity and the Power of Mental Force' is a good book to dive right into the heart of this topic if anyone wants go all academic up in this shit, yo.

I know how ya feel bro, I still need someone to push the merry-go-round for me and spot me when I jump from the swingset, I've also got to be told every once in a while not to throw gravel at the girls

 

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