Ok my cents worth here. I`m not against drugs but don`t do them myself. Smoking can help with various disabilities to relieve pain but if someone wants to try harder stuff thats entirley up to them and what ever after effects it has on them. At the end of the day the should be drug education the the indivisual can make their own mind up.
Don't be silly. You can't set out to insult someone and then say it's their fault if they're offended. I think the whole thing was a misunderstanding anyway from what I can make out, but if what you say was true, then wouldn't it be far more productive to explain your view in a way that Claire's likely to listen to rather than setting out to alienate her? I doubt she's gonna be listening to much that you have to say under the circumstances. That's not gonna do much to protect them little kiddies, is it? My pleasure. With the best of possible intentions, please allow me to point out pleasantly that your attitude towards Claire in this thread is making it look like you're losing the plot slightly. It just ain't rational
I didn't perceive Claire's comments as boasting. That's a spin that you chose to put on it. You're being insulting and rude where you could've expressed yourself quite reasonably and politely, with much more likelihood of achieving a positive result. You expressed it in a way that any sensible person would expect to cause offence. You can hardly accuse someone of saying something to try and look cool to the kids and expect that not to be offensiv, surely? I drew a sharp breath when I saw that comment, so fuck knows how Claire would've felt about it. It was totally unecessary. But more importantly, it was entirely counterproductive. If you've got a message that you think is important, then insulting people isn't the way to get your message respected. Well make your mind up! You seem to think you have something important to say about drugs that could save young kids from a lot of suffering. If they think you're a rambling nutter, then they won't listen to you! So perhaps you should fucking care. Or if it isn't really important enough to care about, then why did you get so worked up in the first place? Discussions are fine. Arguments are generally a waste of time. Why provoke people when there's still a reasonable discussion to be had? There's no reason whatsoever why this thread needed to get heated or offensive. Hadn't you noticed that the vast majority of us (including Claire, I think) are actually in agreement??? And again.... let me explain the 'so?' to you. If you just come across as some rude bitch with an axe to grind, then those kids are not gonna listen to you. And why exactly be rude in the first place when there's still plenty of scope for polite discussion? You've been offensive for the sake of it, and you're defending your actions by confusing them with a perfectly legitimate concern for protecting young people from the worst ravages of drugs. The two issues are separate. You don't need to be a bitch in order to make your point. Take it from Mr Confrontational
Me too. So I gave Claire the benefit of the doubt and assumed her post hadn't come across in the way she intended. Just the same as I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt right now and assuming you don't mean to come across as an 'orrible cow Well Claire already explained herself, so it would seem you did. I agree her point wasn't clear, but you could easily have asked her to clarify before jumping down her throat. There's nothing wrong with making the point you've made. You just don't need to be so offensive whilst making it. Oh Sar, pull your head out of your arse! It'd make her even more angry if your accusation was completely unfounded, wouldn't it? I suspected that she felt offended because you were fucking rude! Yeah, I mean god forbid you should actually have an adult conversation and try and learn and understand from one another. Fuck it, let's start a war. Far more productive, eh? That's sure to build a better world.
Uhhh.... I think all drugs should be legalised for reasons of education, safety and reduced criminality, actually. Although the 'free will' argument is also valid. Why should governments determine what's good and bad for you? How would you feel if they banned all herbal remedies on the grounds that they were untested and unsafe? Everyone's a hypocrite when it comes to consumption in the free market. That's the nature of the modern world. Have you stopped driving recently and not told me?!?
Starfly, Homegrowns alright by me. And with regards to the slave industries, surely the illegality of the substances makes the conditions for the workers. I've always considered the use of H & C just plain stupid, but have usually been of the opinion that they should be legal and controlled, but keep arguing against, I have open ears.
what as legalisation of all drugs got to do with the present slave industrys that exist in the drug trade ? it would be possible to grow any illegal drug without slavery ect ect ect. in fact I would think it could ony improve things if you had a legal trade. if people want to kill themselves with heroin why is that wrong but its ok to kill yourself with drink ?
Erm......Tell it to the judge? Seriously, I'm FAR to scared to continue my argument, so, I'm throwing my chips in with Dok. How the hell is this intelligent discussion? You can't just abuse people who don't agree with you. If I could get my weed with a "Fair Trade" stamp on it, I would. But I can't. Because drugs are illegal.
Well, this whole thread is dedicated to discussing whether or not certain narcotic substances should be legal or not. All along you've been saying that they SHOULD be illegal. However, for some reason, these laws don't apply to you?! How about turning it round; should police be given more resources to deal with cannabis users. It's all very well to be prepared to go to prison for your beliefs and I'm sure that all of us at one time or another risked incarceration in pursuit of justice/freedom etc. However, when they're knocking at your door, and after the judicial system decides to make an example of you, will you please send me a post-card telling me how you wish cannabis was legal?!
It detracts from your argument in the sense that people stop respecting your opinions and therefore the debate doesn't get furthered. And if you're setting out to be offensive, then you can't really say that it's someone elses problem if they're offended. That's like me punching you and telling you it's your fault if you can't overcome the pain.
To be honest, I don't agree. The difference between decriminalisation and legalisation in regards to this topic is this: De-criminalisation means that the law will turn a blind eye to drugs, both user, and all associated problems Legalislation means that people who use drugs will not only be free to use what they want, but will not have to face social stigma if/when they finally decide they need help. Yet again, another argument descends into mere semantics. ....whose opinion is every bit as valid as yours.
Being an anarchist is inconsistent with supporting laws that control and restrict the use of intoxicants. Decriminalisation still leaves control effectively in the hands of the government - and anarchism is anti-government.
Nothing wrong with fucking swearing, you 'orrible ****. Just don't do it in a way specifically intended to offend. Unless dealing with a twat, obviously
The only people who don't have any respect for the law are vicious, deluded, plank-weilding anarchists
