Joining the Military?

I say do it, joining the army is almost the oldest and certainly the most noble thing a man can do with his life...

 

Join the Military, meet interesting people, and kill them.

Say it about the army as well. Along with others...

 

Sorry, but I have to gag.....

 

There are times and reasons to fight, but this war Geo. W started doesn't fall into the reasons.
We had a saying back in the Viet Nam era, " How many Vietnamese fought in our Civil War ?".
Don't seem much different today, now does it ?

 

I agree Dennis, it would be honorable to defend your homeland from aggressors. Fighting Nazis was a worthy cause. GW's oil war occupation of Iraq is not.

 

Just caught on the INTERNET news services this morning, the Sunni's have taken on a new foe, other Sunni's. What next ?
Makes me think of our little town , what if the Baptists started trying to blow up the Lutheran church on Sunday morning ? Or the Catholics taking on the Mormons ?
Doesn't make any sense does it ? Not here it doesn't, but in Iraq it must, or why the hell would they be doing it ?
Lets bring our troops home, leave them plenty of weapons and ammo, let them sort it out. In ten or fifteen years we can sit down with the ruling party and see if they want to talk like grown-ups.
That is if we have any world status at that time. The way its going Im afraid the U.S. will be flat broke by the time Geo. W moves back to the ranch.
There's my 2 cents........Dennis

 

Go Coast Guard!

Helping people not shooting them.

 

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Free drugs too!

 

LOL - Right On!!! It's the same as a 60 year old hooker telling you that for $20 she'll give you the best sex of your life!!!

 

I would recommend going to a voc school, be a nurse, or respatory thearapist. Something in the medical field since all us ole baby boomers are getting unyounger.
FTA is what I say......
Peace... Farmout

 

yeah go join the military if you want to be a murderer!

 

Just because you are in the military does not mean you want to kill people. Nor does it mean you are required to do so, regardless of an order. You always have a choice and corresponding responsibility for your actions, just as anything else in life. I think a large number of the posters in this thread have no idea what they are talking about, or any military experience to substantiate their claims. Please don't post what you think it's like, or what you will be required to do if you have no knowledge or real world experience to back up your claim. (Referring to several posts: " join the military if you want to kill people", "if your commander tells you to kill people you have to do it", etc.

I do agree that this is a huge disaster of a war, and the administration does not seem to care for those that have lost their life in service. This is true in my opinion.

However, please don't solely judge those in service based on association. There are people on this very forum that have discussed: killing people, if they could get away with it they would, they have thought about it, want to know what it feels like, etc. It is disturbing of supposedly hip people (hippie: Peace and Love), so please don't judge by association. There are many types of people in many types of groups.

Don't think people exist like that on this forum? Check this out: http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10118

 

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SHit, I'm glad your version of the military wasn't the one defending us in WWII. What the fuck do your think the military is? A democracy? A place where you get to vote on your actions? A school of pussies where you get to debate what is OK to do! You obviously have no fucking clue. Are you a veteran? When you join up you give up your constitutional rights and are subject to the UCMJ (the Uniform code of military justice). You have no choice or rights to debate any order. Don't want to do that? Don't join! Don't fight GWB's war.

 

I was in the military for eight years, I joined at around your age for many of the reasons you mention, got to see the world, learned discipline, a trade, paid for college, but then again, that was "the day" when it was a good thing to do for some people.

Then came the first war in Iraq with Bush senior, that was when I realized I had signed up to be some pawn in the agenda of a bunch of greedy assholes, so when my enlistment was up, I was outta there.

The military was a good thing for my purposes 25 years ago, but I wouldn't join today, too much shit goin' down. There are other ways to get a sense of direction if that's what you're looking for. Go to a vo tech school and learn a trade, or go to college, but don't join the military. It sucks that so many people have to join the military because they're poor, and they don't have a lot of options, but I'd rather be poor than dead, or in a wheel chair for the rest of my life...

 

So, why be a peon of an administration that will commit atrocities like that?

The things the military has done over all this time, the COUNTLESS number of people killed for bullshit reasons, the affairs we became entangled with but had no business being involved in etc.... why on earth would you want to be affiliated in any way with an organization that does things like that, and worse yet, might possibly make you be INVOLVED in things like that?

They want people to go over and invade a country we have absolutely no business being in, yet they dont even give two shits about the sons and daughters who have died, or became paralyzed for a cause they were totally against. Why be a part of that? They clearly dont have any regard for the soldiers, or they would not send them into battle unless it is ABSOLUTELY necessary.

I dont support the activities of rapists, and I wouldn't go join some pro-rape group, and I dont really see any difference in terms of the military. If you dont support the things the military has done/is doing, why make yourself one of them? I mean, yeah there is reward; college tuition paid off, enlistment bonuses, travel opportunities etc, but I would go about doing those things in some other way, and not at the expense of Iraqi children and women being killed.

 

Interesting perspective, I agree.

 

So you didn't get my point? Anyone look at the thread? Based on the thread about 50% of posters would commit murder if given the opportunity. Should I judge all hip people by these statistics? Why judge all military individuals? What about the officer from Washington (state), that would not leave for Iraq and was prosecuted by UCMJ? I'm sure he was a murderer and rapist and couldn't wait to carry out more suffering in the world! Open up your minds! Do you think he's the only one in the military like that?

WWII is a totally different matter, I didn't mention that, nor has anyone else, so I don't know where that came from. If you were in IRAQ (what we have been talking about) and your commander told you to go shoot up all these women and children, would you? Hopefully not! That is my point, you always have to make a decision and live with the consequences. If you followed the order you would be prosecuted for war crimes (hopefully, if not you would have to live for the rest of your life knowing you're a murderer), if you didn't you would be prosecuted for not following orders.

I don't know what else to say. I've made my point, and have agreed with many of yours about the administration, deaths, etc. When you stop judging all military individuals as murderers or rapists, PM me and I'll come back to the thread. If not, I hope someday you will open your mind to the world around you, not just what the media shows at 6 o'clock.

 

First off, about 50% of people SAY they would commit murder if given the opportunity; place a loaded gun and a man on his knees in front of that person, and I bet the numbers would be VERY different. Saying and doing are two entirely different things. A lot of people on the internet act tough, does that mean they are all badasses? Of course not. My point; thats internet talk, and it holds about as much truth as the Bush administration itself.

Now, I think you misunderstood to an extent. I didnt say I equate all soldiers to rapists, I used the rapist example as a hypothetical scenario that could have been used to prove my point. It was totally random, and I didnt mean that toward the troops, nor did I mean any disrespect to anyone by it.

And I know many people in the military are opposed to the war, and have refused to follow an order, and thus been punished for it. My question is; why? Why the hell would you willingly join something where you may be asked to do something inhumane or injust, and if you say no, you will be tried for a crime? Yeah, you're damn right we all have a choice. We have the choice to NOT join the service, and avoid that whole bullshit situation altogether. Once you're in, you're in, and you could have potentially screwed yourself very badly, why do that?

You didnt answer my question either; why affiliate yourself with one of the most brutal armed services on this planet? Thats like hanging out with Charles Manson for fucks sake. And we wonder why the rest of the world hates our soldiers? You can say, "I didnt have any involvement with those crimes, so I'm not part of a brutal military which kills people unjustly," and that is true to an extent. Lets say (hypothetically) that you are in the KKK or something, you may not have killed or hurt anybody, but the affiliation with which you align yourself has. And you can say you dont align yourself with the government on all issues, but when push comes to shove, thats what it all boils down to. You are there to do the governments dirty work, whether you like it or not, whether you agree or disagree, and for better or worse you MUST do what they tell you or face some reprecussions. That just baffles me.

And stop watching the evening news? Haha! The evening news is only a TINY snippet of all the horrible shit going on in Iraq, if the Bush administration wasn't in bed with the goddamn news media, we would see what is REALLY going on over there, and its safe to say its a hell of a lot worse.

If I offended you to the point of no return; know that I am sorry. The rapist scenario was entirely HYPOTHETICAL, I did not once call soldiers rapists and murders, and I am not foolish enough to think that way.

 

Alot of us will probably be drafted soon,theres already a back door draft...Just ask some of the troops that served in Iraq.They were forced to stay even though their tour was up.