Japan Disaster! Hit By 9.0 Earthquake, Huge Tsunami, Nukes Meltdown

CNN just said that in just one town, half the population is unaccounted for. That's 9500 people. I still can't get over how little time they had after the quake before the tsunami struck. In the videos they keep showing of the wave sweeping over the low lying farmland it looks like there is no "high ground" for the population to escape to even if they did have more warning.

As I said before on a different board, the final death toll will probably be more than I can wrap my mind around.

 

Aside from having nowhere to go there's 6 million people without power.

 

In winter. They are calling for snow next week in the north; right where the worst damage is.

 

There are reports coming on the guardian website of entire towns disappearing. One report says a town with a population of 17,000 has only 3 buildings left standing.

Picture on the BBC site show one town of 10,000 that has been practically swallowed by mud.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12721552

 

Let's just post a video of something exploding with no context and not to mention the fact nothing about it was core related, nothing about the containment chamber was damaged and there's no radiation leak.

http://edmonton.ctv.ca/servlet/an/l...ear-reactor-110312/20110312/?hub=EdmontonHome

And the one thing no one ever wants to say as MSNBC talks about a possible nuclear explosion(which is physically impossible)

That's what I like most about this, take note of the fact no physicists or nuclear technicians are currently freaking out about this, just the general public thinking Chernobyl is about to happen again.

 

I believe it because I have a basic knowledge of how nuclear plants work and know radiation doesn't just start flying all over the place because a core is overheating.

You realize 1,000 times normal given how strict normal at a nuclear plant is is still incredibly safe, that a person who flies a few times a year will be exposed to more radiation in the upper atmosphere on a plane than someone working in a nuclear power plant daily for over a year.

Also looking more into it appears to be a hydrogen explosion from venting of the gas being produced from all the water being pumped into the core. The explosion is bad but it shows beforehand it was working, it means water was being flash boiled and heat was being taken away from the rods.

Here's a post from someone who actually works at a plant describing all the various ways in which Hydrogen is used in the reactor, it's surprisingly non scary

This whole nuclear thing is silliness compared to the fact there's literally whole towns missing right now. Basically, no one should be arguing about nuclear power and reactors until after watching this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BHdsjo-NR4"]YouTube - Physics 10 - Lecture 07: Nukes

I had a basic knowledge of nuclear plants and radiation worked before watching that and knew it was generally safe, then I watched that and realized it's ridiculously safe and we should in fact be building nuclear plants everywhere.

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And for people who don't care either way and still wanna think Chernobyl is going to happen, if it makes you happier they're pumping sea water into the reactor meaning it's a permanent shut down, the corrosive damage of the salt water means it can't be started back up again ever.

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lol the BBC finally reported on the huge fire at a petrol plant that is still burning two days later. Fifteen seconds on that fire which is constantly polluting the environment, hours spent on the nuclear reactor which probably hasn't caused any environmental harm(yet), with people discussing nuclear explosions(which can't happen, period.)

 

Uh yes, cause like you know those simple fact that the ambient radiation in a nuclear power plant being there daily for a year would result in less radiation exposure than someone who flies more than a few times a year or someone who required a bunch of X-rays, or my favorite one, the brazil nut one, the fact these nuts, that people eat daily, have a higher natural radioactive content than anything that is legally allowed to leave a nuclear power plant.

Once again, no one should talk about nuclear power and radiation without either watching this,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BHdsjo-NR4"]YouTube - Physics 10 - Lecture 07: Nukes
or having done the equivalent amount of research. You're just helping to propagate fear mongering over something that isn't a problem, at all, but makes for a hella good news story at a time when there are huge actual problems across that country.

As it stands they're pumping boran infused sea water into the reactor, the thing should be cooled down in about 10 hours or so. Though by nature that's going to create radioactive steam that's going to have to be vented, cant' wait to hear the OMG RADIATION dance from MSNBC.

I've actually lost a lot of respect for the BBC today. I've been disappointed with their coverage of mid-east revolutions but the fact they're playing into the nuclear dance just as bad as MSNBC, CNN and FOX are is ridiculous, they're supposed to be at a higher standard than that

Nuclear plant is fine people, ignore it, focus on the actual damage. And if you're going to focus on a power plant focus on the petrol plant that's been on fire for 2 days spewing carbon(and OMG RADIATION, yes radiation comes from more places than uranium) into the atmosphere and is still completely out of control.

 

Whether there is no lasting damage or not from the problems they're having at the nuclear power station after the most powerful quake on record in Japan, the panic will mean Nuclear power uptake - currently the only realistic low carbon power source - will be pushed back a decade.

All because of alarmist media and the "nuclear = mushroom clouds and mutant babies" attitude that they encourage.

Apparently in Finland there was a rush to buy iodine tablets, lmao people.

Literally nuclear power is so safe, that after one of the strongest earthquakes in recorded history, after being hit by a freakin tsunami, after having all it's back up power generators fail, not only was the core put under control in less than 24 hours but there was no environmental impact or unsafe levels of radiation exposure even to people working at the plant.

Meanwhile a petrol plant further down the coast has had an out of control fire going for two days. Now an out of control fire by nature is going to leave lasting damage is pretty damn dangerous, but the most deliciously ironic thing about this, the people within a few miles of that plant have probably breathed in and been exposed to more radiation from that burning fuel and other materials than the people living around the nuclear power plant.

 

A huge part of Three Mile Island's core melted, an overall radiation release was quite limited.

Also every nuclear plant has cesium in the RCS and releases it at some set frequency. It is produced by tramp uranium and minor fuel defects. Unless you know that actual activity of the cesium being released it is indicative of nothing. CNN doesn't know that.

You're just helping to create an irrational fear of ATOMS!!!! for future generations.

Can't wait till this is over, nothing bad happens and this actually becomes the poster child for nuclear advocates on how safe nuclear power really is. Japan just had the literal worse case scenario and the world didn't end.

 

Who's they, some random guy on CNN? But I'll agree with it though, because thank you for proving my point, third worst nuclear disaster in history, I assume Three Mile Island is number two, and in both of them, nobody died, no land was left damaged, no one got sick.

Nuclear power - So safe that 40 year old reactors and their 40 year old technology faced the literal worst case scenario and came out with flying colors even after facing a meltdown.

 

i wonder if anyone has thought to ask kim jong il how his reactor is weathering all the activity in the area at the mo'

the japanese must have been pretty desperate to have used seawater as a coolant, it's corrosive nature now means that as a best case scenario the japanese authorities have to abandon that reactor and dispose of a couple of tons of radioactive detritus ...... which usually means burying it in concrete.. and either way that areas is going to lose massive amounts of it's residential area for a decade or two .. it's a grim outcome

nuclear power has a reputation for being a stupidly dangerous way to provide energy for decades... because it is stupidly dangerous

 

How about you watch the lecture I posted instead and learn that it's not stupidly dangerous, the public is just dangerously stupid. Sea water is not desperate if it's one of the few options available, especially if there was a meltdown and you're never going to use that reactor again period. When you have the news talking about it like its Chernobyl the authorities have to take the step that will cool down the core as quick as possible so the public stops shitting themselves.

Also aside from the fact there's numerous ways to dispose of nuclear radioactive material, if we go the cement way, please explain from a physics point of view why if you take radioactive material and spread it out in a substance such as cement or glass to a point where it matches natural backround radiation levels how is it dangerous at all.

 

how about you learn to address people in a polite manner if you wish to elicit a response?

and please learn that the first link google gives you with an enquiry doesn't make you an authority on any given external situation....

salt water.. chlorine ... 41yr old reacter that uses stainless steel pipes... chlorine in salt water causes stress corrosion in stainless steel... get it? Sea water is the most desperate option they could have used

goodness only knows wot they doing with the irradiated sea water they've already used... syphoning it back into the sea presumably

the very fact that you have to encase nuclear waste in concrete or glass to make it safe shows how absolutely useless it is... would you buy a house built above a nuclear waste dump?

which would you have rather seen happen in japan? a few thousand wind turbines fall or a potential nuclear meltdown and a broken nuclear reactor that'll take years to replace?

 

r u kidding im not the least bit suprised sad yes suprised fuck no its about fuckin time man the mother is pissed rather us than her