I've opened a can of worms

Yeah I'm not saying race matters much or anything, but to say race doesn't exist, or it's a "scientific fallacy" is just plain idiocy.

 

I know about racial slurs and I can tell you all about the different types of literary and rhetorical irony.

But then again, I'm assuming you're referring to my use of "Whitey" - I use lots of racial slurs. They amuse me. Take people as people, and racial stereotypes as stereotypes.

 

I actually mean chink for wall builders


I find that dreadfully ironic...


they build the most awesome wall ever


and they get called something that is as the hole in a wall....


that is irony....

 

Hahahaha. That's the response I was TRYING to get. Pipe down, Chachi.

 

http://www.crsi.mq.edu.au/The Race Fallacy Letter.htm


The view that human group differences are to be understood in terms of divides between superior and inferior types of human beings, has long been repudiated by anthropologists and biologists. It is of course true that geographically separated populations came to differ in respect to such physical traits as skin colour, hair shape, facial structure, blood type, susceptibility to certain bodily diseases, etc. However, these differences form gradients (clines) that are causally independent of each other. There is no convincing evidence of correlated genetically based variations in psychological and behavioural attributes. And most certainly there are no discrete, clearly bounded “racial” groups distinguished by “packages” of related physical, mental, and behavioural attributes. The designation of people as distinct and unequal “racial” groups has figured prominently in the organisation of social and political life in many countries during the last two centuries, particularly as a means of maintaining relationships of domination. But such divisions have no natural existence. They are social constructs, not biological entities.

Genetic differences within populations that are often characterised as racially distinct are far greater than the genetic differences between such populations. Ironically, a striking illustration of this is the very population that Andrew Fraser targets in his claims about inherent inferiority: the sub-Saharan Africans (including the descendants of African slaves in the USA). Genetic diversity within this allegedly “racial” population is greater than in any other “racial” population.

 

there isn't inequality mentally, but that isn't what race means, race is the different subsets of humanity based on physical characteristics.....


it's not at all a scientific fallacy and to say the whole concept is is a frankly dumb generalization


and that they went to ract meaning mental characteristics says to me something of the personal qualities of those doing the study....

 

whatever...

the bolded section does say that there is no distinction for psysical attributes too...

the reason the article talks about mental capacity a lot is cause the article is on the use of "race" in the past and the belif of other "races" to be sub-human mentally and genetically and using that as a basis for slavery

 

then the study is flawed, there are physical distinctions, be they levels of melatonin, the way hair grows, sundry other physical characteristics from eye shapes to the sizes of lobes of the skull


there are also significantly more studies then perhaps this one that say that there are diseases that people of different races have different risks for, being of the asian or caucasian race is an actual risk factor for osteo porosis, sicle cell anemia occurs more in african peoples

guess what, white people have a much greater chance of having blonde or red hair

there are physical differences and a study that says not is idiotic, blind and frankly just trying to be politically correct bullshit

 

right before the bolded section it conceids tha, yes there are distinctions with melatonin, disease suceptability and all that jazz and it says that they are independent of each other...

ok, this will be a better article, NOVA is the shit http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/first/gill.html and then there is a link to another article [by someone with the other viewpoint] on the subject http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/first/brace.html

ok, so yes, there are bone [and stuff like that] differences, but there is no reason why it should mean "race"

 

why not? the word race means those distinctions, those distinctions are scientifically real, so race is scientifically real



trying to make the negative connotations of race dissappear by changing words is just absurdity, it's still the same idea, you'll just be changing words, and it will have the same connotations


I give people very little credit, but even I know that humanity isn't that stupid........

 

i dunno...for me race just implies more than an outward difference [like the difference between Bonobos and regular Chimps]

but i have to get up early tomorrow, and i don't feel like tackling this right now

[yes, this is my cheap way to back out of the debate]

 

breed, species and race are different words for a reason......

 

Yes, but quest techie i thinkt he point being made is that race is often treated as being like species when infact aside from facial feachers and some boy make up there isn't a huge difference between races.

Now as for references made earlier, the reason thing like martin luther king day are clebrated is that he was a freedom fighter, and not just for black people for all poor and opressed people. Including women by the way.

And why isn't there a malcolm x day, he was a good freedom fighter. Anyway you have columbus day to celebrate imperialism. or independance day, after that day you sitll had your slaves so acutally you are celebrating white freedom.

Now as for your references to the ghettos and things, white and hyspanic people also live in them. It's a question of class there. The ruling class actually uses race as part of a divide and rule policy don't give into it.

 

Good call man. Its what i was going for, but clevererer

 

Well if you think race does not exist, then say you take people from several different groups of these imaginary races and... See if they are all the same, or different.. I mean.. It's blatantly obvious race does exist, same as any other species, it's a sub grouping. Of course the genetic difference will not be vast, but the genetic differences even between species is not exactly vast, like say a human and a chimpanzee.. But there are not the same anyway.. Of course in the finer and finer subdivisions the differences will be less, but differences nonetheless.. I believe the simpsons sumed it up pretty well through Dr. Nick, about Chinese people having Chinese babies etc..

 

Sorry, our country? Am I hearing right? It seems like your refering to your country as belonging to white people. Jackass.

 

You can take that how you want, but our country, as in the actual citizens of this country... Should we all go to foreign countries and not obey their laws?

 

Not to mention he didn't say our country, he said "this country... our laws." Big difference. Jackass.

 

you;re fucking set on white dominance. Whilst im not suggesting that you condone slavoury etc, you like the balance of power where black people are in the ghettos and dont have too many opportunities as compared to white people.

 

The funny part is the American Native Indians dont have a national day we fuck them ,we stole theyr land, we murder them by the millions and starve them to death, stuck them in concentration camp "indian reservations" you dont hear them whine like the blacks and jews do. OR ANY OTHER.