Isn't Veganism a first world privledge?

That isnt sustainable for a large country. If we wanted to eat graising animals only there wouldn't be enough space to graise for the amount of cattle the country would need to feed it's people. You can make more food by growing something like soy on those graising feilds.

this image found when googling "food chain calories" confirms my inclination that you only get 10% of the cals you feed an animal
here's the link to the site http://serc.carleton.edu/introgeo/interactive/qotd/effic.html


This is a duplicate of a post i made on another thread about a similar issue;

"Some proponents of grass-fed beef argue that cattle could be raised on “marginal” lands – lands that cannot be used for growing crops but can be used for growing grasses – so that the cows are not taking land away from human food production. Again, this is an infeasible solution. If the land is marginal, it will not be the high quality pasture that can support a cow on a mere 2.5 acres. We are likely looking at the high end of the acreage estimate, and would require 35 acres per cow, requiring approximately 3.5 billion acres of marginal land on which to raise 94.5 million grass-fed cows. This is 5.5 million square miles, more than the entire area of the United States."

"Grass-fed cattle must eat crops when grass is unavailable in the winter or during droughts. The crops will consist of hay and grasses, but will still take land away from the production of crops that could be fed to people directly."

http://animalrights.about.com/od/ani...assFedBeef.htm

 

No, my mom used to make me sit at the table till I finished my meat, tastebuds had no bearing on why I ate it. Eanting to go out and play was the only reason involved.

 

Yup. They just have to get in their car and drive down to food lion. The ones I work with at least.

 

lol that's why i said BACK IN THE DAY!! yes it's the modern age i know that dude.

back in the 1800's it worked as there wasnt very much development in the west, but yeah the cows caused some environmental dmg like erosion.

and think back to jesus's time, or hell afganistan now, it is plausable in that aspect

 

I'm pretty sure we can consider you only as you are an adult. Taking a child into this conversation is a bit absurd.

 

when i was real young, my mom made me eat liver. had to eat all the liver

let me tell you,, liver is NOT what a kid is going to want to eat

 

My daughter loves liver. At her request I make her a cream cheese and liver pate that she eats on crackers.

 

Shouldn't this be somewhere that's NOT the 'recipes' section?

 

^^^Excellent, thank you.

 

Im very surprised that no one made the point that by being a veg*an you are helping to feed these so called "3rd world" countries. one cow produces one pound of meat for every 16 lbs of grain. 16 lbs of grain can feed a lot more people then one pound of meat. If the whole world stopped eating meat ( not plausible I know) we could easily feed 20 billion people ( there are around 7 billion people right now) Also a cow will drink 25-50 gal of water per day. If would have 1/4 of the populations go vegan there would be plenty of food for everyone in the whole world.

 

There already is more than enough food produced to feed everyone in the world.

 

I'm sure 1/4 of the worlds population are already vegan.

They cannot afford to eat meat.

 

It seems like a few people keep pointing out that meat is expensive or not eaten a lot as is... well, i see meat as a small factor. Most 3rd world nations people rely heavily on eggs, milk, and fish. I agree, veganism is MOSTLY a first world privilege. Some 3rd worlders can do it, but not many. Vegetarianism is more likely, than veganism though.

 

You don't seem to understand what vegan means.

 

your right but we feed it all to cows and pigs. if we let cows graze as they are meant to maybe we could feed the starving people

http://viva.org.uk/guides/feedtheworld.htm

"Human consequences of the shift from food to feed were dramatically illustrated during the Ethiopian famine in 1984. While people starved, Ethiopia was growing linseed cake, cottonseed cake and rapeseed meal for European livestock. Millions of acres of land in the developing world are used for this purpose. Tragically, 80 per cent of the world’s hungry children live in countries with food surpluses which are fed to animals for consumption by the affluent."

http://gadaa.com/oduu/609/2009/04/17/ethiopia-zenawi-admits-exporting-grains-while-millions-starve-and-die/

"During his first press conference since the G20 photo-op trip to London, Mr. Meles Zenawi, Prime Minister of Ethiopia, has admitted to exporting grains from a country that has close to 12,000,000 of its population surviving under severe need of humanitarian food aid"

 

Read this article, "Your meat addiction is destroying the planet"

http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/13/4605528/your-meat-addiction-is-destroying-the-planet-but-we-can-fix-it

 

It's a matter of greed and distribution. Yes the meat production industry is not good environmentally, and not sustainable at the rate of demand but even if you eliminated every meat producer that does not automatically guarantee people will get fed. It's fucking political mostly.

As far as third world people being veggie, its bullshit, they may not get beef but they will certainly take bush-meat when they can. When you are calorie challenged believe me you will take nutrition and calorie dense foods like meat as a blessing.

 

And not only that but as I've read through this thread the one thing I kept thinking was... that yes, I do know that overall meat is more expensive then grains (as numerous people mentioned the examples of rice and beans, etc)... HOWEVER, to eat a healthy VEGAN (not just not eating meat, obviously) diet .... it is much more expensive (usually, if you are going to eat a full, balanced diet- of quality foods!) then just eating a "regular" diet including meat.
A lot of the natural/health foods involved in a vegan lifestyle are out of some people's price range.
So, yes, it is a luxury to be able to chose to eat like that.

 

I still get annoyed reading this post.
I understand the arguments being presented, but I feel like a lot of people use the argument that "veganism is special privilege" to not go vegan, when they clearly can do so.
Just admit you don't care enough.