Isis Throws Two Gay Men Off Building

It is important that we understand to the devout Muslims these killings are acts of piety. They are not impressed by opinions. They are bound by obligations.

 

Like we were in the past (by our societal consensus/religion)? And some of us still feel they are bound by that? Remember, people don't have to be muslim to hate/bash gays, just like not every muslim is actively hating on homosexuals. Sure there are now more muslims hating on gays than christians or atheists, but what this shows to me is that even though it seems religious people are bound to such a thing it is not the case in reality. If mainstream christians can drop that mindset, muslims can too. It does take effort though. And a constructive approach. Bashing muslims and islam as a whole is not making anyone more eager to listen what you have to say about this matter (except I guess the people that already agree with you )

 

I think the point That some of you are missing is that Isis / Islam are not condemning it as a crime but are celebrating it as being the right way to act !
I find it strange to say the least that there is support on here for this so called "religion of peace" that seem intent on nothing but hate and Bloodshed
But I am Older and brought up with different values

 

You are leaving out an important factor: Sharia Law is for Muslims only. It is no different than saying Canon Law is for Catholics, and Talmudic Law is for Jews. Sharia in the Middle East has for years been used in Marriage, Divorce, Death-probate court, mortgages without usury, adultary, rape, and all sorts of family issues. In these same countries you see French Law being used for criminal code, and British law being used for business code. When I was in the Middle East, Sharia was not enforced on Christians, Jews, Yazidis or any other group. I don't know exactly what ISIS is doing; however, they have been condemned for their actions by hundreds of Muslim scholars. You see, the ISIS leaders who claim to be religious leaders are not recognized as such by Muslim scholars, because they haven't even gone to school for it. Islam forbids anyone from issuing a religious order (a Fatwa) without the proper credentials. So the majority of the poulace does not recognize ISIS as true authority, they are just afraid of them, because ISIS is so well armed.

 

That it seems to you that hate and bloodshed is the only intent of that religion is unfortunate. When I look at the religion and its followers I see examples of both good and bad intent (just like in other humans and other ideologies).

You find it strange that people are supporting tolerance of others and their religion (like in our precious constitutions) on this site? To me it is strange I am one of the few who tries not to jump to conclusions, while others are polarizing the issue further by insisting muslims in general have to be dragged into it. To me those who are advocating tolerance, objectivity and using discernment are not so strange at all.

 

Nothing you have said there makes any sense so I will put it another way
The Catholic Church says Kill All queers !! there are some really nice Catholic people So fucking what !
I know a nice guy at work that is a Muslim If his Mosque told him to start killing white people he would I know that for a fact
I am a C of E but I would not , nor will I ever be told to, do any of the things that are going on in the world in the name of my god
There are some really nice postmen as well

 

Yes. We are in agreement here.

 

There is a large amount of muslims that is not actively hating on gays. Some are against it and only tolerate them, not accept them but hey this is just how many nonmuslims feel about gays too. So how nonsensible is it to acknowledge the use of making distinctions between them.

You know a nice muslim at work that tells if his mosque is attacked he would start killing white people: do you understand how many UK and dutch citizens (that are overall really nice people) are saying the same kind of things. What you experienced at work i experienced in a similar way. Guys from a small village that never saw a muslim do something bad with their own eyes proclaim they would do the most agressive things if there would come a muslim live in their street. A lot of people are voting here for this Wilders guy (you probably heard of him) because he proclaims things like 'all morrocans have to leave this country' and 'we should close all mosques in the netherlands', even while carrying these things out is against our constitution (and really, it is for a reason).

You can not convict the people who are doing nothing wrong because others are doing wrong stuff in the name of their mutual god.

 

How sad for those two men......is my main feeling.......humanity at its worst....

 

You know a nice muslim at work that tells if his mosque is attacked he would start killing white people:
I never said that mate

You can not convict the people who are doing nothing wrong because others are doing wrong stuff in the name of their mutual god.
Nor did I say that ?

Read what I said again if you like

 

humanity at its worst for throwing them off the roof....

 

I edited it. To me it made a lot of sense but maybe I formulated it a bit weird in my haste to reply. Hope you see the sense now too

 

I apologize, its not about if his mosque is attacked, it is about if his mosque tells him to start killing white people he would do it. Good you corrected me there My point still stands though. White dutch and UK guys are proclaiming the same extremist stuff because they feel so strongly the other party as a whole is the enemy (not IS, or al quaida, or terrorists, but islam in general). While actually in your particular example it would be the imam or mosque organisation who calls for such dubious actions that should be judged on his actions, and the guy who told you that he would do it if the imam or who ever told him to do so. Not every other muslim, even though the majority of the ones you met might have uttered such talk.

You did not literally say it. When you say the religion of peace has only bad intent (which has to be carried out by it's followers naturally, otherwise nothing of the intent would happen ) you are actually convicting, as in judging, every follower and his belief.

 

People I have no problem with mate
Black white pink or blue !! I have A few friends who are Asian Pakistani / Indian We get on !
Its the religion I personally have a problem with , The Brainwashing in particular I find hard to understand most of them think ( and are probably right ) that one day their religion (whatever you want to call it ) will take over the world
And I find their Ideals hard to face mate !

 

Ha, their religion could only take over the world if the extremists weren't busy discrediting it so much! It will never conquer the world with violence. And me saying that is not only coming from wishful thinking.

I have a problem with the brainwashing too, but I see it as only an aspect of the whole religion. When we say whatever ideology is bad it is almost always a generalisation that is uttered because maybe the bad aspects are more in our face. We make simplifications how we perceive life and dangers all the time. It is useful to realize how broad and diverse such religions as christianity and islam are, and how diverse their followers can be too. That's why when we are talking about islam or muslims in general a remark as 'I find their ideals hard to face' feels a bit empty... unless of course you would speak about something specific, like a certain aspect of the religion or a specfiic group of muslims or a specific ideal or kind of behaviour.
I find it unfortunate that you have a problem with the whole religion (seriously), because I would never have.

 

Ok lets start with the throwing of gay people off buildings ! is that specific enough ?

Edit
Never mind we are going round in circles
and I am not that good with arguments anyway


Love and peace man

 

Yes. An excellent example. It is so specific we can actually identify it as an ideal that is not practiced by most muslims and thus should not be attributed solely to the belief system the culprit is doing it in the name of just like that (imho).

 

Naturally It should be no problemo at all to differ in our opinions (being able to is why we have the freedoms that we have today).

 

my point was I don't necessarily think these people were thrown off a building it was strictly for being gay. Middle East homosexuality pornography exposure is through the roof. Somehow with the statistics it wouldn't surprise me in the least if a good majority of these folks take it or give it. and it wasn't really a "point" it was a deconstructive sentence that was agreeing with a post you'd made earlier.

 

Same-sex sexual intercourse is legal in twenty two Muslim-majority nations ,,,,In Albania, Lebanon, and Turkey, there have been discussions about legalizing same-sex marriage..

on the other side the coin .. Afghanistan, Brunei, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Yemen, homosexual activity carries the death penalty..