Is Transgendered Surgery Amoral?

Intersex conditions, and hermaphroditism are not the same thing. The former is quite common, and the person is mainly genetically one sex. They just have a chromosomal and/or hormonal defect that causes them to develop some physical features of the opposite sex. But, if treated properly, they can just live normally as the sex they are mainly genetically. A hermaphrodite is someone who is equally male and female genetically, and is a very rare occurance. ''Came out as a hermaphrodite''? Ive never heard of that one before! I didnt ''come out'', I was told I was probably intersex by my clinician about a year and a half ago, and genetic tests confirmed this.

My advice to the OP, based on what they said, is not to go through with the surgery. My advice to anyone considering that, is if you have any doubts about it whatsoever, then dont go through with it.

 

came out like as in came out his mom. lol
ya i know the diff. i just thought it'd be interestin to mention
also something interestin, I got three lapdances from from this girl we always just take her as a girl. it was strange to feel her junk rubbin on me

 

No, you called transwomen ''liars'', I didnt read anything into that, because that is what you actually said.

Most of the ''shemales'' you see on the internet, do not have a genuine brain/body mismatch, and are most likely, autogeynephiles, not a ''trans'' anything. Yep, you'd feel lied to, because you think they are actually men, which is something you have already stated. I merely pointed out that in some cases, scientifically at least, that is not entirely true.

Its not about ''what I like'', its about the way things actually are. You are certainly entitled to your views, I just pointed out why scientifically, that view of narrow gender binary is an illusion. Whether you will still hold the same views with that knowledge, I dont know. It is persecution, calling people ''liars'' without all the facts to hand. If you have all the facts to hand, and still hold that view, then fair enough. I never once called you a bad person. I said you were narrow minded, thats all. I dont blame you, because most people are fed the same stuff about gender from a very young age. All Im saying is, the science does not go hand in hand, with that narrow view of gender that most grow up believing to be the truth.

You flaunted your own insecurities by labelling transwomen ''liars'' if they dont disclose themselves as ''men'' to prospective partners. Yes, I may have issues, but you clearly do as well. Besides, if it wasnt for the narrow minded views on gender that you, and so many others hold, intersex infants wouldnt be operated on in the first place. Okay, that may be a seperate issue, but its still fuelled by society's false gender binary system.

So, I definitely have been persecuted (and indeed mutilated) due to the types of views that you adhere to. The ONLY reason intersex babies are operated on, and forcefully given treatment without their consent is to appease the narrow views on gender that most in society, including you, hold as true. As that is the reason doctors give for that decision is to make the child appear ''normal''. And that presenting as one gender will help them integrate with society. The huge problem with that is, lots of those children, including me, do not identify with the gender chosen for us. You want to talk about morality, well, that is surely a damning case of immorality if ever there was one.

 

Wow, ive never heard of that before! lol Is he/she actually a hermaphrodite in medical terms, or is that just what they label themselves as? You may know the difference, but I know most people would mislabel intersex people as hermaphrodites. Or even transsexuals.

Emm...well, I can see why that would feel strange! lol

 

idk but one day a long time ago my friend said he had to take his brother to surgery. i asked for what, and he said he was clearly born with both genitalia.

 

Hmm...not necessarily. For a person to be a hermaphrodite, they need to be genetically a 50-50 mix of both sexes. Which as Ive stated before, is much rarer than cases of intersex. In my own case, I was born with a vagina, but because of my condition, my genitalia had a masculinised appearance. It was mainly due to this fact, that the decision to raise me as ''male'' was made. Like many intersex people who have had this done to them though, I never identified as the gender chosen for me, and kept rejecting that as a label for myself, I always just seen myself as female. And that what was happening was a horrible mistake. Parents are usually told not to disclose the truth about their child's intersex condition, to the child. So, many intersex people grow up with no knowledge of their condition, until something (usually by accident), happens later in life to bring it to the surface. I discovered about a year and a half ago, that my genetic setup is in fact 90-95% female. (Chromosomally: XX) And that is the gender I should have actually been rasied as. Its now recommended that all XX babies with the condition I have should be brought up as female. But, back when I was born, due to the masculinised genitalia at birth, many females born with CAH syndrome were mistakingly brought up as male. Its also interesting to note that males born with CAH are not intersex, because their bodies are naturally supposed to produce far higher levels of androgens than women. To cut a long story short, if I had merely been given anti androgens, and brought up as the sex I actually was, I could have had a normal life, and would have been physically indistinguishable from any other female. Which I am immensely bitter about.

So, your friend's brother may have just had feminised or masculinised genitalia. And not actually both genitalia. My genitals are not, and were never fully physically male. They just had a more masculine appearance than a normal vagina should have. It is very possible that your friend's brother is actually intersex, and not a hermaphrodite. The odds certainly make that much more likely to be the case.

 

I just find it so sad that these young people are so brazen as to make public comments about real people who are born with intersex conditions or who feel the need for surgery to match up their incongruency between their brain and their physical anatomy. Transition is not an easy or a short process. Anyone who actually was thinking of transitioning would know that it is a serious issue which begins with visits to a psychiatrist and no surgery takes place until the subject has lived at least one whole year in the role as his/her desired sex.

If these people were to do any research at all on the subject, they would know that people that are diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder usually do transition and have the surgeries required to make the changes. This disorder and the treatment are recognized by the American Psychiatric Association and is described in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM IV). And that these surgeries are not considered "cosmetic surgery".

Some the other ridiculous comments in this thread like "I wouldn't sleep with a girl who was born a man", "I know about transsexuals because I am part of LGBT" really put the icing on the cake. They really make these posters look like idiots. Being gay has nothing whatsoever to do with transsexual or transgender. Being gay signifies a sexual orientation whereas the two trans terms refer to sexual identity. As far as not sleeping with a woman born a man, when these people are finished with their surgeries they are their desired sex and they just disappear into the woodwork. And, no, the surgeon doesn't initial his work so that all that come later will know that it's not the original piece.

So I don't think the op is still around but hopefully if he is serious about "going over to the other side" he will learn that the only way that having a vagina will make you a girl is if you already are one. And for the rest of the respondents in this thread, making uninformed comments about real people's issues doesn't do anything for your level of intelligence, but certainly does reflect a lack of maturity.

 

Ditto.

 

I'm not sure if the original poster is around to get this response, but I'll offer my opinion (not answers) to the original questions asked. Take it as you will, I guess,

1. The surgery will only simulate the appearance of femininity, to a limited extent. I will always have an X and a Y chromosome, no matter how much of my savings I spend on these procedures. Additionally, I will always have been born male, and I feel I would be deceiving others by merely altering my appearance.

The generally accepted idea is that whatever it is that makes you want to be female is something you are born with and not taught/learned. It could be argued, then, that you may not have been born fully (mentally AND physically) male. You may see a female appearance as deceiving others, but couldn't a male appearance be deceiving others that you are comfortable as a male? If some part of you is mentally born female, then no, a female appearance would not be deceiving.

2. I fear this surgery may be vain and petty. Is my personality so frail that my true identity cannot shine through a healthy body free of deformities or physical injuries?

If you find it vain and petty, I would say its not for you at this time. Surgery is generally for those who find it to be absolutely necessary and not for those who find it petty; just my 2 cents.

3. Would I be stating "one sex is better than the other" by doing this?

I don't think so. However, by 'doing this,' you may be stating that one gender is better FOR YOU than the other. You wouldn't be stating that one is better than the other, you would just be stating your preference. If you prefer one color to another, its not saying that one color is scientifically better than another, is it?

4. Would the money be used better if I donated it to charity, and the medical resources not be wasted on a "vanity procedure" (someone else's words, but really got me thinking)?

Yes, the money would better be spent on charity. If you spend $200 on groceries for a week, that money could have been spent feeding a child in Africa for a year. Every penny you have ever spent on entertainment or even food would be logically spent better on helping starving people, but people just can't live that way all the time. And also, for those who do go through it, it is much more than a vanity procedure.

5. What separates my desire to be a woman from other peoples' desire to be children or even animals? Is transsexualism just another fetish, a purely psychological condition?

The generally accepted idea, I believe, is that transsexualism is a result of something at or before birth and not a choice. However, I'm sure there is at least 1 person in the world for whom it is just a fetish. I cannot say anything regarding what it is for you, but for most people its not just a fetish.

6. I understand I would be happier as a woman, but I would also be even happier as a druggie. Both procedures would negatively affect my physical and social well-being, so how am I not as much a druggie in a sober body as a man in a woman's body?

Well, drugs or smoking are often a form of self medication. In many cases. people do them because they have some sort of issue(s). The difference is that drugs are self destructive, have no real positive effects, and WILL kill. Sex reassignment surgery is approved rather than illegal because it does not kill the patient, is not as self destructive, and usually has a more positive effect than street drugs.

Simply put, the two are different in the same way that treating a mental illness at a hospital is not the same as treating it with street narcotics.

7. Even if I am a beautiful woman in a man's body, do only my financial resources give me the privilege of surgery? If so, is it evil for me not to use the money to finance the recovery of burn victims, whom also require cosmetic procedures?

First of all, its not just a cosmetic procedure for those who go through with it. Is it evil to buy contact lenses and be able to drive a car rather than donate it to starving children? Is it evil to buy prescription anti-depressants rather than helping other patients? These questions are the same as what you are asking. If your transsexualism impedes your daily life and doing something about it would help, then that should answer your question.

I really, really want to see a woman in the mirror, but I like to think of myself as a moral, enlightened person. I simply cannot go through with the procedures with these moral queries unresolved.

Then you aren't ready. I would recommend considering it carefully with a therapist. My apologies to anyone who may disagree.

 

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