Is there anyone left who doubts we live under corporate fascism??

Balbus:

I ask because I've yet to see an answer, and don't tell me it's in another thread, just answer.

 

Indie

LOL – you demand answers, but never give them, is that it?

As to not seeing things that is another of your tricks as I’ve said I repeat things over and over and over but you just ask me to repeat them again.

Could you please stop all the tricks and start debating honestly?

 

If you feel I haven't provided an adequate answer try rephrasing your question rather than exhibit linguistically abusive behavior.

Yes, I've yet to determine your purpose or intent to prolong the same conflict regardless of the thread topic.

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I've yet to determine what we are supposed to be debating, and while you seem more intent to engage in a quarrelsome altercation than attempt to discuss anything civilly, I see little point in making much effort other than respond to your often derogatory posts directed to me only because it might appear rude to ignore you.

To be totally honest with you, I recognize the fact that neither of us can post anything that would satisfy the other related to why our ideas are so diametrically opposed.

Perhaps you have, but I seem to have missed anything you may have posted related to HOW you would solve the things you claim to be unfair or unjust practices in society.


Why? you have asked do I promote the views I have. Perhaps you have not noticed that I put societies above government, and recognize the fact that while humans comprise a single race, they are not and unlikely to ever become a single society. The differences between humans can be both small and great, and some differences can not be resolved to the satisfaction of all, therefore humans tend to congregate most peacefully with those who have similar ideologies. So in the end, my views are the result of actual observances and experiences over my life time. While at times it appeared that we might have been able to agree on some problems that have negative effects, it quickly became obvious that we could never agree on solutions to the same.

I don't expect that we could ever have a congenial discussion, so why do you continue to pursue what you obviously should recognize as a waste of time for each of us?

 

Indie

And again another old trick of yours basically it is the ‘repeat’ ploy – but I have repeated them (you ignore them), I’ve rephrased them (you ask me to rephrase them again), I’ve explained them in detail (you say they’re too detailed), I put them more succinctly (you claim they are too simplistic and ask for detail), I ask you to debate honestly (you get all self righteous and say I’m a ‘bad’ person so you will not reply) and so on and so on…

The outcome is always the same – you not addressing the criticisms of your ideas.

Again the self righteous trick – all I’m asking is that you stop evading and address the criticisms of your ideas – if you can’t - why can’t you?

 

Indie

LOL – the problem here is that you seem totally incapable of defending your ideas from criticism in any rational or reasonable way - while I can. I’m happy to discuss (and defend) any of my views and my posts are littered with them while I often link to others – so far your main argument against what I say is that 1) you think they’re wrong (although you seem incapable of explaining why) 2) I’m a socialist (which you seem to think is enough)

 

Indie

If you are asking me ‘how would I implement’ my ideas you have basically asked me that same question twice (three if this is it again) in the last week and both times I’ve answered it.

To repeat - I can suggest and back up ideas and criticise ideas that I think are wrong but I’m not the world’s dictator.

I’ve put forward many ideas in varying degrees of detail over the many years I been coming to this site, ones that I think would make for a better system. And they could be implemented if there was the political will to do it.

The problem is that virtually all would be opposed by the political and wealth based establishment, because they would limit their power while boosting those of the majority.

But things change in fact your obvious inability to defend the ideas of the wealth supported right show just how defunct those ideas are. I think that many more are coming to realise just how bad they are.

 

Indie

If you are asking me ‘how would I implement’ my ideas you have basically asked me that same question twice (three if this is it again) in the last week and both times I’ve answered it.

To repeat - I can suggest and back up ideas and criticise ideas that I think are wrong but I’m not the world’s dictator.

I’ve put forward many ideas in varying degrees of detail over the many years I been coming to this site, ones that I think would make for a better system. And they could be implemented if there was the political will to do it.

The problem is that virtually all would be opposed by the political and wealth based establishment, because they would limit their power while boosting those of the majority.

But things change in fact your obvious inability to defend the ideas of the wealth supported right show just how defunct those ideas are. I think that many more are coming to realise just how bad they are.

 

Indie

Yeah, yeah, yeah I know you views by now - I think everyone knows you view by now – the problem is that you seem incapable of defending them from criticism.

But the problem is - are your interpretations of what you have observed and experienced the correct ones? Have you leant the right lessens from them is the question.

It seems to me that if you had learnt the right and correct answers you would be able to defend them from criticism – but you can’t – which indicates that the ideas you have built on that shaky foundation are deeply flawed, if not incorrect.

Because you keep coming here to promote what seem like deeply flawed, if not dangerous ideas that not even you can defend from criticism.

I think it not only my right but my duty to point out that you ideology is just a flimsy disguise for the advancement of ideas that would for instance perpetuate and even make worse such problems as crony capitalism.

 

Indie

Yeah, yeah, yeah I know you views by now - I think everyone knows you view by now – the problem is that you seem incapable of defending them from criticism.

But the problem is - are your interpretations of what you have observed and experienced the correct ones? Have you leant the right lessens from them is the question.

It seems to me that if you had learnt the right and correct answers you would be able to defend them from criticism – but you can’t – which indicates that the ideas you have built on that shaky foundation are deeply flawed, if not incorrect.

Because you keep coming here to promote what seem like deeply flawed, if not dangerous ideas that not even you can defend from criticism.

I think it not only my right but my duty to point out that you ideology is just a flimsy disguise for the advancement of ideas that would for instance perpetuate and even make worse such problems as crony capitalism.

 

Balbus:

OK, you've convinced me, It's absolutely impossible to have a meaningful conversation with a fool. So please don't feel I'm being rude by ignoring you in the future.

 

Indie

First an official warning - which I think you want - because I think you would prefer to be banned than to have an honest debate.

Second if my criticisms are so foolish shouldn’t you be able to easily address and refute them rather than having to evade all the time?

You can ignore me but that doesn’t mean the criticisms go away – or that I’ll go away, I’ll continue to point out that your ideas are deeply flawed and very likely dangerous.