Is the DEVIL real?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Nestor, Oct 24, 2008.

  1. Chodpa

    Chodpa Senior Member

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  2. scratcho

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    Yes. His minions are called 'underpants gnomes,those pesky little bastards.
     
  3. jaredfelix

    jaredfelix Namaste ॐ

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    So you don't think that causing harm could be classified as evil?
    Is the ego evil? In its entirety, no.

    I think ultimately the bringer of light is in ourselves. Excluding the possibility of "intervention" from otherworldly beings to help with our evolution. Which has been mentioned in the bible and referred to as "satan" , so people will fear these being and information thus furthering our enslavement to this physical reality we call earth
     
  4. themnax

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    i'm frequently misread. yes, the causing of harm IS evil. i'm saying that IS what evil IS and the one and only thing THAT evil is.

    human aggressiveness is its own devil and ego is what drives it.

    the existence of unseen, non-physical, things, has nothing to do with this. what we pretend to know about them, is ourselves pretending.

    my one caviat i would have to say instead, is that not all suffering is caused intentionally. those who do so are an exception, and in need of psychological healing. rather the incentives that create the conditions that lead to suffering are MOSTLY caused through ignorance, but caused none the less statistically by the priorities people actually live by. some people it naver occurs to try to find out how to avoid doing so, and some deliberately hide themselves from any understanding of how to do so.

    when a culture romantacizes aggressiveness though, deliberate maliciousness, while still the exception, becomes increasingly common.

    having an ego isn't bad. we all do. but egotism, this voraciousness of the self, to be central to central to all of existence, which it can never in reality be, you know this, calling that something good, this learned behavior, its not something that comes from nature as so many beliefs try to claim.

    but at any rate, that is the only real "devil" such as it is.
     
  5. Indy Hippy

    Indy Hippy Zen & Bearded

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    The devil is only as real as Jesus or any deity. All are part of the Way.
    If you wish to refer specifically to Satan then the answer would hinge on whether you refer to the traditional Christian faith or the babe Christian faith.
     
  6. verminous_plague

    verminous_plague Banned

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    You're right mountain valley, I shouldn't have said the "old testament." There are much older documents and writings that predate the holy bible. Like the nag hammadi library and dead sea scrolls and ancient sumer clay tablets!
     
  7. themnax

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    what is real, is that people want an excuse, outside of themselves, for their own behavior, when it becomes an embarrassment to them.

    while the possibility of completely non-physical beings and things, is real enough, and completely beyond proving nor disproving, everything claimed as knowledge about them, is our own fantasy as physically living sapient beings.
     
  8. thedope

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    devil means slanderer or accuser
     
  9. Anaximenes

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    And slander occurs two ways utterly different for the value of who is sinning who, the scandal for defeating the world is quite different from the adultery leading to the defeat in one's indifferently treated love affaire.
     
  10. Moonglow181

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    I am ready......

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  11. Anaximenes

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    Well, there is the electronics repair man and his charge for repairing the computer.

    I'd sooner categorize Him under the Dingo idea in "Cry in the Dark" with Merryl Streep.
     
  12. Anaximenes

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    I really think the devil is IDEAL for realistic thinkers, REAL for idealistic thinkers of theological being. Listen; someone in a Hegel forum has conceived that the theology of reality has the essential being of unessential inclusion by the reading of tripology into the guising verse about the world for the essence of Identity. One's very identity is determining for the lessons of religious reading. Why the sudden problems in the world is to understand the essential from the unessential.
     
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    The Devils last name is Caine.. his first name is Crack and his middle name in Co..
    Crack Cocaine..:devil:
     
  14. Anaximenes

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    The philosopher Parmenides considered the devil per perceiving for fact one being from many and counting them up.:afro:
     
  15. themnax

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    there MAY be one god, there may be no god, there may be more gods and goddesses then can be counted let alone named, but there is NO force, more harmful nor destructive, then OUR OWN aggressiveness.

    not nature. not technology. not some negative spirit thing like a demon or devil, but OUR OWN ego, greed, aggressiveness.
     
  16. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    There is no devil only ZULE!!
     
  17. Mountain Valley Wolf

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    Good guess Irminsul.

    There is only one Devil, and his name is Mountain Valley Wolf!!!!


    Darn it! I did it again!!! Why do I always let that slip out!!!
     
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    He sometimes goes by the name Meth Amphetamine ..
     
  20. themnax

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    but more often that of human ego. or rather it is human ego going by the name of some devil or demon.

    there MAY be one god, there MAY be no god, there MAY be more then can be counted of them, but there IS no force, more harmful or distructive in all of existence, then OUR OWN aggressiveness.

    no nature, not technology, not some negative spirit thing like a devil or demon, but our own ego greed aggressiveness.
     

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