Is Snowden a national hero? Traitor? None of the above?

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by Carlfloydfan, Jun 23, 2013.

  1. IamnotaMan

    IamnotaMan I am Thor. On sabba-tickle. Still available via us

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    And I suppose you're an expert on Russia...?

    Not.

    :rolleyes:

    PS I don't remember Russia ever commiting genocide. Unlike your pyschonut friend Uncle Sam.
     
  2. lode

    lode Banned

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  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Plessy V Ferguson only shows that the Constitution is open to interpretation, as the founders meant it to be.
    It can be interpreted differently at different times.

    In addition:
    If you can trust John Yoo!

    So it is all up to debate, in my opinion, and will have to be legally resolved.
     
  4. IamnotaMan

    IamnotaMan I am Thor. On sabba-tickle. Still available via us

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    A famine isn't a genocide. I should know, some of my family left Kiev in, and just after that era.

    Stalin tried to collective farming to stop starvation, and stop the greed of Ukrainian landowners and profiteers.

    http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/more-on-the-fake-holodomor/

    Infact, many Russians in the Ukraine found it harder to get food during the famine, than the Ukrainians did. And many Russians starved.

    Even Wikipedia, that US backed propaganda creation, admitted there is no proof that the famine was nothing other than duuhhh a famine.

    Ukrainians who claim Russia commited a genocide, are no better than genociders themselves. Infact, the sort of people who made this story up have a history of genocide themselves - against Russians(when they joined up with Hitler), and against Jews and others.

    Any of these blerts (usually from places like Canada, Washington or Lviv who claims there was a Holodomor genocide is the sort who'd write a blog and say "Ohh Hitler was a great guy".

    The whole so called Holodomir nonsense might as well have been created by Hans Christian Anderson. It was concocted (largely from America and Canada) to fuel a bizarre Ukrainian nationalism. The epitomy of nonsensical American Cold War propaganda.

    Russia never nukes cities, killed 2.8m Vietnamese. Many hundreds of thousands of Arabs(in recent yrs alone), similar number of Central Americans, or created starvation and milions of deaths in Africa.

    Unlike America.
     
  5. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    A few to debate about:
     
  6. bird_migration

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    He's an idiot.
     
  7. lode

    lode Banned

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    The constitution is open to interpretation. On what constitutes "Unreasonable Search and seisure." Broad sweeps of all data from fiberoptic carriers which is what this is talking about, not just requests for specfic data from tech firms. So no, I don't trust John Yoo, the guy who authored the tortue memos who has no knwolege of networking to protect my privacy. And he thinks networks don't count as communication anyway. So yeah. John Yoo.
     
  8. IamnotaMan

    IamnotaMan I am Thor. On sabba-tickle. Still available via us

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    The Soviet Union wasn't liked by the Western cabal elite.
    They tend to be touchy about government that governs for the many, not the 1% of 1% of the greediest, silverspoon criminals and conmen.

    Therefore a lot of lies were made up against the Soviet Union. Read up about Tsarist feudalism and you'll realise how Bolshevism came about.

    If you believe Russia committed genocide, you'll believe George Bush is a nice guy who wanted to bring democracy to Iraq and not blow the place up and rob its oil. And you'll believe everything he said about Sept11 and "weapons of mass destruction".

    I haven't got the time to pull apart the nonsense claims against the USSR, but the link I gave is quite informative. Also to claim the Ukraine should be separate from Russia is like saying Los Angeles should be part of Mexico.

    The genocides by the American Establishment are pretty clear cut. Infact the country is founded on a form of genocide against the natives. And Hitler had much support from sections of the American Establishment. Then there's direct American genocide and war crimes in Africa, C and S America, Arabia, Asia over the last few decades.
     
  9. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    Are you saying that Russia claims to be a nice, friendly country? I've never heard anyone from that government make any such claim. They seem to be very proud of their bad-ass reputation.
     
  10. Piaf

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    I love, love Russia! They recently banned gay propaganda and gay adoption.
     
  11. Piaf

    Piaf Senior Member

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    Why you say that?
     
  12. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    It doesn't bother you that the USSR officially endorsed atheism for decades? Before that, I don't recall the Czars showing a lot of respect for the Vatican either.
     
  13. I'minmyunderwear

    I'minmyunderwear Newbie

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    at least he used the word correctly. i get so tempted to kill a fool every time i see someone post "i defiantly agree with this!" fuck, that doesn't even make sense!
     
  14. AquaLight

    AquaLight Senior Member

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    Endorsing atheism is a plus for Russia.
     
  15. AquaLight

    AquaLight Senior Member

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    And even though I don't think Putin is a good president for the Russian economy, he does have a good position on Syria and international policy.
     
  16. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    I was talking to Piaf, a Catholic.
     
  17. AquaLight

    AquaLight Senior Member

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    I know. I was a making a point nonetheless.
     
  18. Piaf

    Piaf Senior Member

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    And what does all this have to do with my current liking for Russia? Regimes change.
     
  19. absentwithin

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    I don't think he's a hero really.. What he revealed has been common knowledge for the past 7 years if his actions woke a few people up to see that it's happening then great but it still isn't changing anything.. Hero's actions usually make some type of impact for the betterment of society in some way or another.. Don't they? How did revealing the governments actions benefit anybody? What will be the change? How will it improve anybody's life? Has it saved anybody's life?
     
  20. lode

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    What counts as gay propoganda by the way?

    Is that guy who got kicked out of Saudi Arabia for being too handsome gay propoganda?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...i-arabia-too-handsome-pictures_n_3152761.html

    I love Russia too though. It always drew a special sort of magic in my young pre and post cold war eyes. A land that couldn't be traveled to. The best literature, the best architecture. And after a day of June in Texas, a trip to Saint Petersburg sounds right up my alley.
     

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