No....different strokes for different folks...May be wrong for your acquaintance there, but no fair of them to push that on you or vice versa.... It is a personal thing...IMO. Does your Christian aquaintance think that war is morally wrong?
That kinda was the whole point of the New Testament, in addition to the Christian truth that Jesus is the savior/messiah and only path toward the Kingdom of Heaven. (We've technically gotten lazy in our language and just say Heaven, but technically we are talking about the Kingdom OF Heaven.)
You might say that but for some kids it might depend on the parents who are beating him or her. I remember one girl when I was about ten maybe, who said she got it real bad for everything and sometimes she thought her brains were exploding. Then I was near her house with other friends one day (they lived near my house in a town housing complex and we were in a little park area out front of the complex) and we could hear her paying a price for something she did. Sounded like a bad beating with a belt that was never gonna end. Now a days that would have brought the cops around I think. Her dad was very religious but I couldn't remember what religion. I remember Ruth too,,, her brother had leukemia and was often quite sick, (he died later while I knew them) we were smoking cigarettes behind a hotel and he wanted to smoke,,, we said no and he told us there are things he won't get to do so we let him and when we went back to their place their mom could smell it on us (ya stupid kids, I know) anyway she yelled at us all and started to smack the shit out of Ruth on top of her head. Scared me silly and they were Catholic,,, why not send her to her room first and go in once she had calmed down so she could have done it in privacy and with a little more thinking behind the punishment,,, that was brutal. My mom woulda have been mad but she wouldn't smack our brains around. Those two events alone made me appreciate my parents.
Holy shit Sally! I had a friend back in elementary school, one time when he was grounded and not supposed to have friends over, I didn't know and we were just talking on his front porch when his mom came out suddenly and lashed him across the face with this thing that was made of several lamp cords all taped together with the ends hanging out like a 'cat 'o nine tails' It was fucking brutal and scared the shit out of me. They were catholic too...
It comes from an interpretation of a FEW versus of scripture that said corporal punishment drove out the demons that cause disobedience. And unfortunately that appealed to a default way of disciplining in many cultures within many countries for a long time. That's why you saw "Christian and Catholic" households raise their children that way. But don't be fooled other cultures religious or not resorted to physical discipline as well. ( China, India, Middle East) I suspect it's because physical pain and beating or getting best appeals to the animalistic brute nature of human beings.... Not many older generational establishment Christians payed attention to the other message in Christian scripture about mercy obviously...humans get fixated on issues. That's not God'a fault. You can't cherry pick scripture, but you can't ignore it's historical context or more in-depth meanings of the vocabulary or language of the times.
Reminds me of one time a woman we didnt know was at her house past the end of the street yelling for hew kid to come home. My friend pretended she was her kid. So she is yelling back down past the end of the block. "Im not coming home now im hanging with my friends" the mom says im gonna whip you when you come home. My friend yells back "i dont care you dont scare me". We got a great laugh out of it. I hope that poor girl talked her way out of it though.
I mentioned this before but i onetime saw a mother chipmunk disciplining its baby for taking food from us.
Christians should realize the physical discipline doesn't drive demons away if the person doing the spanking has sin in their heart. (Grudges, a fit of rage, etc.) But I don't think many people combine the meanings of (was it Leviticus that was pro-corporal punishment?) and the blind leading the blind verses of scripture. --- Your friend probably got it bad.
Naw, I think it has a lot more to do with the fact that a whipping gets your attention pretty quick and focused. You ever try reason with an 18 month old? Sometimes a swat on the bottom goes along way to keeping your kid safe but literally beating a kid is sick and twisted and religion certainly isn't a necessary component. In fifth grade I remember going home with a friend of mine, Steve, second we walked in the door his dad started to literally kick his ass and yell at him and punch him in the head. What was his horrific crime you ask? He had broken his wrist 10 days earlier and so he wasn't able to pitch for his little league game the previous weekend and they lost. His dad was a drunken fucking asshole. I wonder what ever happened to Steve? Last time I saw him when we were about 20 he was a pretty fucked up individual. Heard rumors he killed himself, but never found out if it was true.
I never bought up the christian thing...and i dont know the religion of the random mother. I was not raised in any religious setting. I only went to church one time because my sister wanted to get ashes...she never went again after that time either.
Hard to say if it's based on anything biblical, though maybe for some it gives them a kind of entitlement... I always figured it's generational though, those that have been beaten will probably beat their child, unless they are somehow enlightened and break the cycle. Humans that have been brutalized at a tender age can end up with some pretty fucked up psyche that can manifest in a lot of different ways later in life. I knew a guy once that told me seriously he'd like to have a child so he could have someone to boss around like his dad did to him. I hope to hell he never did.
I'm not totally against corporal punishment, like spanking, it certainly has it's place if done a certain way to insure safety and that the parent isn't gonna go overboard like your friend's dad. And yeah you basically said what I said in more relatable and understandable terms. Still I think spanking should be used sparingly, and it must only be done if a parent had properly read the situation they meant to discipline. If an innocent child gets spanked for something they didn't actually do, and the discipline misperceived a situation, that child will lose respect for the adult and trust will be eroded and the kid might even grow up with power and control complexes and turn into the next serial rapist/murderer or hitler-type of person. The world doesn't need any more of those.
It's both, religion or the interpretation of those scriptures at the time gave society a moral justification to act on those impulses and THEN it became a generational habit or method of disciplining youth. Few understood other methods of behavioral change like classical and operant conditioning.
and opposite is true and just as potentially damaging, setting guidelines with consequences and then not actually enforcing them. One other thing that drives me crazy, never works, and just sends the complete wrong impression to the child, that is making disciplinary threats that you can't or won't follow through on. Like telling a kid "I'm gonna break your arm if you do such and such!" the kid knows you aren't going to break their arm (I would hope) and therefore any designs you had on behavior modification go right out the door as the kid thinks "yeah, right, like that's gonna happen".
When we were much younger we got the odd smack on the ass for doing something we shouldn't have,,, that was enough to let us know they were the boss kinda thing, later it was grounding with nothing in our rooms. My mom liked to make us do a chore or two too sometimes to pay the debt. And it had to be done well, she checked. This can smarten you up pretty fast I think. And it works well in adult life too I was with a few girls when I was 17 in the military, we got drunk and raided the men's barracks and were finally caught in the bathroom hiding in a stall in the officers barracks by a military cop doing rounds. He reported us and we had to wash buses all weekend,,, it sucked but we found better places to hang out when we were drunk, hahaha. Now I look back and the bus thing wasn't so bad but it did work.
