Is Obama socialist or fascist?

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To me it came about because of the desire for US hegemony driven by paranoia and a wish to protect and promote American economic values (that crystallised into neoliberalism).

The result was that in US society an aggressive capitalism was coupled with a ‘militaralism’ that brought about the so called military industrial complex (which morphed into corporatism) and worse indulged in neoliberalism interspersed with destructive forms of Military Keynesianism (especially under Reagan) and bastard Keynesianism (bail-outs) during down turns.

So you end up with the untenable – bastard forms of Keynesianism in the low periods meaning the general population pays for the losses caused by neoliberalism and then neo-liberal ideas in the up time which not only create the conditions for a down turn to happen but also means that wealth gains the profits and the general population gain little.

That has happened largely unopposed because of right wing indoctrination and a lack of left wing ideas pulling from the other direction.

The problem as I see it is that now, due to continued right wing indoctrination, many Americans seem to believe that following ideas that would make that bad situation worse is the solution.

Again this has been gone through many, many times in a number of threads, the problem is that it comes up against the deserving and undeserving poor argument and that charity was never able to cope and that is why state provision was fought for. Again this also seem to have a Social Darwinist underpinning.

Again it is not about big or small government but good governance.

 

I agree, but the EPA doesn't do that. In fact, they let them pollute, THEN charge them (less than it would cost to dispose of waste properly.)

Well I don't support the bailouts, nor will I ever. They probably overstretched themselves knowing the government would take care of it. This is why I'm against government and their "favors," because they only benefit a select few.

Well that's an interesting statement. First, I will say that minimum wage in New York, is NOT enough to live off of. Even if you had 2 people working for minimum wage, you wouldn't be able to afford rent. Secondly, not too many people follow the labor laws at any establishment I have ever worked at. Most people who work 8 hours get one 30 minute break, whereas, the law says you need a 15 minute break also. NO WHERE I have ever worked follow that. Adults can make their own choices, it's not as though any logical person would do really hard work for 2.00 an hour.Plus, people are typically paid what they're worth. I haven't been paid minimum wage since I was 17. Most my jobs now start at 9.75- 10.00 an hour, whereas minimum wage is a crappy 7.50..

I believe the opposite. Our government is in bed with Banks, Oil industries and, pharmaceutical companies. They are the ones already getting special benefits and therefore, controlling our laws and foreign policy. I think it's irrational to assume that Obama is keeping dibbs on the companies that fund his campaign. He's not, nor will he ever. I believe that certain laws and new regulations, are made for certain businesses. Take for example all the new regulations Obama put on the Coal Industry. Is it that coal is dangerous, toxic and, a fossil fuel? No! Oil is the Fossil Fuel, and the ONLY company who benefits from more coal regulations.


The Government plays God with the economy, even though the consumer is supposed to own it. A lot of Liberals think that corporations without government regulations are dangerous, while I think corporations with special government benefits are even more dangerous.

See, this is where you and I differ; You keep telling me that if I had it my way, businesses would be running WILD doing whatever they want. But that's what's happening already.

We're talking about a country where corporations can buy off candidates. Speaking of which, don't you think if my ideas would give corporations crazy power, they'd be supporting Ron Paul?? Dr. Paul has gotten NO special interest money, unlike the MILLIONS of dollars Obama and Romney got from JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs etc etc.

Obama has spent more in 4 years than Bush did in 8!! So the best thing government can do is get out of the way. No amount of spending will get us out of debt, or ultimately help the well being of our country.

Now they're trying to get us to socialize Pre-k, even though there's no evidence that pre-k has anything to do with healthy development or increased intelligence. I think it's all a big scam.

Not for nothing, but nearly every Liberal I've ever met are unemployed and expect everything free. Paying for more Government is just hurting the Middle Class. The very rich and poor are not effected by taxes, because they just live off of the system anyway. The Middle Class paying MORE taxes for Obamacare and "Free pre kindergarden," is not going to help ANYONE, except the very rich who steal our taxes, and the very poor who want free daycare.

 

I'm not going to get into the second post, because I don't support the bailouts, nor does ANY Libertarian I know. As a matter of fact, Ron Paul said he wouldn't end foodstamps or welfare because people need it due to the mistakes of the Government. But again, you and I are never going to agree if you think government would fix our problem. They can raise taxes 100%, and it's just going to get wasted on bailouts and wars. The government is a bottomless pit, and Liberal ideas may have helped at one point, but more government and more taxes, are not currently helping America.

 

I've made my point. I'm done as well.