Is Nuclear War Inevitable?

THAT website is your source for some of these facts you've been posting?

just looking at the home page had me laughing my ass off! My God, if you think such websites are reliable and legitimate sources, no wonder your ideas are so bizarre.

 

You prefer wikipedia?
"Since 2001, medical personnel at the Basra hospital in southern Iraq have reported a sharp increase in the incidence of child leukemia and genetic malformation among babies born in the decade following the Gulf War. Iraqi doctors attributed these malformations to possible long-term effects of DU, an opinion which was echoed by several newspapers.[96][97][98][99] In 2004, Iraq had the highest mortality rate due to leukemia of any country.[100] The International Coalition to Ban Uranium Weapons (ICBUW) has made a call to support an epidemiological study in the Basra region, as asked for by Iraqi doctors,[101] but no peer-reviewed study has yet been undertaken in Basra.
A medical survey, “Cancer, Infant Mortality and Birth Sex Ratio in Fallujah, Iraq 2005-2009”, published in July 2010, states that the “Increase in cancer and birth defects…are alarmingly high” and that infant mortality 2009/2010 have reached 13.6%. The group compares the dramatic increase, five years after the actual war 2004, or exposure, with the lymphoma Italian peacekeepers developed after the Balkan wars, and the increased cancer risk in certain parts of Sweden due to the Chernobyl fallout. The origin and time of introduction of the carcinogenic agent causing the genetic stress, the group will address in a separate report.[102]"

 

i voted "No" it isn't an inevitability, but i certainly think it is possible... afterall, anything is possible... none of us can know what will happen unless we are on the inside of covert operations... even then, we might think we know but infact, know diddley...

 

As a U.S. veteran I doubt seriously that any commander would knowingly use any munitions that would pose such a danger to their own troops, and since we have had as many as 160,000 Americans in Iraq, and I lost count of the number in Afghanistan, plus contractors, this just doesn't sound plausible.

The thing that sticks in my mind about the Gulf war is the days of burning oil wells, Saddam's actions not ours, and the smoke covering the country. Do you think this may have had an effect on their health? And, what about the chemical weapons that Saddam used on the Iranians and Kurds?

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maybe not the commanders as most of them are not really "in the know" but if the president of america sees the troops as expendable fodder, then surely it is possible... it is war afterall...

 

It's better than that other site, but still subject to gross errors and user editing.
I think you misunderstand some of the responses you have been getting. It's not that others, or at least me, completely disagree with what your saying. You just want others to suspend judgment and accept what you are saying and then get upset when your claims are challenged.
Then you site sources that are nothing more than conspiracy and propaganda papers or websites.
Do you have any sources from internationally recognized news sites/agencies that aren't also warning about UFO invasions and similar such sensationalized garbage?
You also make the incorrect assumption that this is predominately a "hippy" site and therefore everyone here should automatically agree with you and raise the same battle cry you are chanting. Sorry, it just doesn't work that way.
If this were a predominately "hippy only" website without differing points of view, I never would have become a member, and I think that holds true for others here as well.
The appeal of Hip Forums for me and a lot of other people is the fact that Skip values freedom of speech over any one particular set of ideals.
That is what sets Hip Forums apart from most others IMO. You can get banned for your behavior, but not not your opinions or thoughts.
Sure there are some ideas here that tend to be shared by the majority of users, but it is not a prerequisite to being a member of Hip Forums.

You are bringing up some important issues, for sure, but don't be so dismayed if others don't automatically agree with your position.

 

Good points, you beat me to it,

 

In the 90s my brother was an officer in the National Guard with a specialty in Nuclear and chemical warfare. Believe me, they are "in the know." Officers have at least a BA degree in their area of expertise plus military training that is in-depth.

Just carrying around radioactive materials would have had such a devastating effect on our own troops it would have been impossible to cover it up.

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Here some advice of the US army on DU ammunition where they clearly say that one should stay away from sites where DU ammunition was used.
http://www.per.hqusareur.army.mil/SERVICES/SAFETYDIVISION/Radiation/Briefings%20and%20Training/DU%20Awareness%20Training%204-99.pps

the same in the US army training film I posted already where the US army clearly talks about the dangers of heavy metal poisoning and radioactivity and also tells to stay away from contaminated areas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGUIUQp3LsQ&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Training film (with edits)

 

BBC article

"The move came as it was revealed that a leaked Pentagon document from 1993, obtained by the BBC's Ten O'Clock News, warned of the potential increase in cancer risk after exposure to DU ammunition."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1115771.stm

 

i don't think we mean quite the same thing when we speak of "in the know"... my father was an officer in the British Military for many years... (mid 1920's - late 1950's)... i know for a fact that there are some things that, despite other serving offficers intelligence and education, were kept from them... believe me when i say that many things are on a "need to know" basis... it is naive to think otherwise... my father had a special "job" to do after the second world war... he suffered with a crisis of conscience, refused the invites to join the freemasons and was demoted back to major.... he was the only colonel amongst that particular group who was demoted and the only one that wasn't knighted...

also, regarding more recent events, you are right about the DU being impossible to cover up... it is uncovered. it is just that naive people refuse to believe that their own government could even think of putting our beloved troops at such risk... and ofcourse, the elite have the established media onboard...

just wanted to add that not all freemasons are bad... many have very good intent indeed... freemasonry also operates on a "need to know" basis...

 

Your own article states that these munitions were phased out before the Afghanistan and Iraq wars.

Your 10 minute video would take more than 5 hours to download on my dial-up and take all of my bandwidth during that time.

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No it states that

and its not my own article, its by BBC

 

Do you think things have changed in the last 60-90 years?

 

I'm speaking of the types of information that this topic concerns, primarily that of troop safety. The "Training Video" that midgardsun posted shows that the commanders were aware of the dangers of DU ammunition, if it's authentic. (not being able to see it, I can't make that judgment)

What you refer to here is probably "Special Ops" which is a need to know and a very specific operation. Our discussion concerns a general type of ammunition that would be the concern of any and all soldiers within the entire Theater of Operations. In this case, even the lowest Privates "need to know" that the ammunition is a danger to their health and survival.

And, according to midgardsun's own article, no longer used.

I think it's unfair to suggest that one who doesn't see the information in quite the same way that you do is naive.

I know my government lies, I know that it cheats and I know they are not always acting in my best interest, or even in the best interest of the nation. But that alone does not make every conspiracy theory true. Even a broken watch is right twice a day.

Not all reporters get their information from official sources.

In my entire life I have never seen any evidence to suggest that the Masons are anything other than a "Gentleman's Club" that exists only to boost the egos of it's members. The big Mason secret is: There is no secret.

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midgardsun, The Gulf War: August 2, 1990 – February 28, 1991 (Operation Desert Storm officially ended 30 November 1995)

The Iraq/Afghanistan war: I - March 20, 2003 A - October 7th, 2001

Article written: 13 January, 2001

The article was talking about the Gulf war, not about a war that had not even started yet.

It's your article because you posted it.

 

That is not one of the present wars that I referred to.

The article also states: "Nato and the World Health Organisation have said there is no evidence of a link to cancer but the leaked 1993 Pentagon document, drawn up by the US Army Surgeon General's office after the Gulf War, suggests the US military knew otherwise," which suggests that there is no agreement that there are any health issues.

It appears that this is a moot issue at this point as these munitions are no longer used.

When I said, "your article," I was implying "your evidence," not that you had written the article. Sorry for the unintended implication.

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yes. wikipedia:

 

http://www.doh.wa.gov/hanford/publications/overview/genetic.html

 

yes

good night