Is it time to talk about guns?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Balbus, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Magazine Tyrson, magazine The gun nuts will go crazy if you call it a "clip".
     
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  2. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

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    I should have used the word "weapon"... allows for the possibility of reloading.
     
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  3. Piobaire

    Piobaire Village Idiot

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    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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  6. Piobaire

    Piobaire Village Idiot

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    I don't care how many people get killed. It's a small price to pay to preserve my God-given right to overcompensate for my deep-seated feelings of inadequacy and impotence by prancing about brandishing a mass-murder machine like some surrogate phallus.
     
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  7. Twogigahz

    Twogigahz Senior Member

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    I really think that has something to do with it.
     
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  8. Piney

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    an unregistered gun is a crime waiting to happen. Good journalism should report if the weapon is legal.

    Firearms legislation is useless in the face of unregistered weapons.
     
  9. Twogigahz

    Twogigahz Senior Member

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    What makes me crazy is people that say "oh, someone got into my unlocked car last night, got my computer, my phone, my wallet .... and my gun...". Thanks for putting another gun on the street, pal.

    Oh, there's a cash for guns program here - they can't take any more guns because they are out of storage room. Right legislation says they can't destroy them, "just in case their lawful owner claims it..."
     
  10. Captain Scarlet

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    Just hearing of another shooting at a Walmart store in the USA .

    Crazy.

    You guys again need to concentrate on again what is an American cancer and appears to be getting worse
     
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  12. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Never happen in my lifetime. Guns are adored in this country.
     
  13. hotwater

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  14. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ California Tripper Administrator

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    It is DEFINITELY time (as always) to talk about guns.

    Here is my take on the subject...

    Guns should be strictly controlled.

    I think the Japanese have it right.

    You can only own a gun AFTER you get a license, and good luck getting that.

    And then, you can't keep the gun. It has to be locked up at the police station until you take it to a practice range or specific hunt.

    It works.

    In the USA six million people carried guns daily, twice as many as in 2015.

    Since the supreme court struck down most strict limits on guns earlier this year, the trend is expected to continue.


    The new estimates highlight a decades-long shift in American gun ownership, with increasing percentages of gun owners saying they own firearms for self-defense, not hunting or recreation, and choosing to carry a gun with them when they go out in public, said Ali Rowhani-Rahbar, a professor of epidemiology at the University of Washington, and the study’s lead author.

    A landmark supreme court case this summer overturned a New York law that placed strict limits on public gun-carrying, ruling, for the first time, that Americans have a constitutional right to carry a handgun for self-defense outside the home.

    While recent surveys show that nearly a third of American adults say they personally own a gun, the percentage who choose to regularly carry a firearm in public is smaller, with about a third of handgun owners, or an estimated 16 million adults, saying they carried a loaded handgun in public at least once a month, and an estimated 6 million saying they did so daily, the study found.- The Guardian

     
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  15. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ California Tripper Administrator

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    Why do I say the Japanese have it right?

    How many mass murders by gun happen there every year, compare that to the USA...

    You really can't compare them...they are opposites.
     
  16. Piobaire

    Piobaire Village Idiot

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    In 2015, 3 million adults said they carried a loaded handgun daily, and 9 million did so once a month. In 2019, about a third of handgun owners, or an estimated 16 million adults, saying they carried a loaded handgun in public at least once a month, and an estimated 6 million saying they did so daily; an increase of 100% in 4 years.
    This trend has undoubtedly continued (and quite probably escalated) after record-breaking firearms sales during the COVID pandemic, as a consequence of the repeal of firearms licensure laws by Republican-dominated state legislatures, and the Republican-dominated Supreme Court contrived decision New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen.

    None of this made anyone safer. The firearm homicide rate in the United States increased nearly 35% from 2019 to 2020, coinciding with the emergence of the COVID-19 pandemic. 19 million guns were sold in 2020, and 87,000 of those were recovered from crime scenes within the next year. The average rate of assaults with firearms increased 9.5% in the first 10 years after 34 states relaxed restrictions on civilians carrying concealed firearms in public. Stand-your-ground laws are associated with an 11% increase in firearm homicides.

    Is this really the legacy we want to bequeath to our children?

    Six million Americans carried guns daily in 2019, twice as many as in 2015

    New Data Suggests a Connection Between Pandemic Gun Sales and Increased Violence

    Study Finds Significant Increase in Firearm Assaults in States that Relaxed Conceal Carry Permit Restrictions | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

    Notes from the Field: Increases in Firearm Homicide ...
     
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  17. Josephinelcajon

    Josephinelcajon Joseph

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    I am middle of the road. I fully support the ability to own a gun. BUT just like a car that is deadly we need training to be a priority and a lic prosses that will include criminal/mental and that training. Growing up in the pioneer days kids saw and used a gun at a very young age safely and with a good upraising. Here lies our problem and NOT the gun. We are failing our kids by not raising them properly. And that is a hole other mess that desperately needs to be fixed!
     
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  18. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ California Tripper Administrator

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    Good point about times having changed... society these days is ill equipped mentally to have guns.

    So many have been raised on video games playing with guns and enjoying the stealing of cars, etc. It's like the floodgates of hell were opened by the media companies in their quest for profits.
     
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  19. Josephinelcajon

    Josephinelcajon Joseph

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    This started many decades ago in the 70s and 80s with the latchkey kid and sitcoms normalizing broken families. Moms were replaced with violent video games. You notice today long gone are the shows such as the Waltons and Little House on the prairie replaced with crime shows mostly.

    The Walmart shooter claimed he was bullied and harassed by other employees. My first thought is go to my supervisor and if that did not work quit! I would never dream of doing what he did! Thats not a gun problem that's a society issue of how they are thinking. I also have a BIG problem with the news media! I truly believe the second reason he thought this was a good idea was simply watching the news. He saw the repeated reports on the news and said to himself that will fix my problem. Yes, the news needs to report it. BUT they need to balance out that news with the good. Why not interview someone who got help and is doing good right after that bad news enforcing the idea of good solutions that work!
     
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  20. ~Zen~

    ~Zen~ California Tripper Administrator

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    It's not just the USA.

    Around the world the media from the states has had a profound affect on local societies.

    When cable tv arrived in the Caribbean during the early 1980s, quiet island communities became inundated with show after show glamorizing crime, violence and racist attitudes. Things went bad swiftly, people had to start locking their doors, taking the key out of the car when not in use, and putting bars on their windows and doors.

    And then the guns began to arrive...St. Thomas soon had a murder rate higher than Washington, D.C.
     
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