Is being drunk an acceptable excuse?

i understand exactly what you are saying. its simple, being drunk gives you the guts and courage to actually do the things you want to do but dont have the courage to do sober.

 

You're saying this as though we didn't have COMPETING MOTIVATIONS and many different things we wanna do in the same situation.

 

huh???? i am a little slow tonight

 

It's not like we want ONE thing.

We want many things. Say, we may love someone and want to kill that someone simultaneously.

In fact, we always do.

 

i don't think the value of the actions is even relevant to my point. there are situations where being nice is not to one's advantage, but when he gets drunk he acts nice anyway, even though he would know better sober.

 

Alright. So that's where we differ:

To me, only actions possess value. Not inner predisposition.

That would be a belief in purity.

P.S. I'm talking about pragmatic value, not moral value.

 

I feel very strongly that being drunk is definitely NOT an excuse for certain behaviors. Such as (especially) cheating. Being drunk doesn't make you do things that you're not already thinking about doing, or deep down want to do to begin with. It just lowers your inhibitions enough to allow you to do these things. Therefore saying "I was drunk so it's okay" doesn't fly with me. To be quite frank, it pisses me off when someone says that.

 

My problem is not that I drink but that I really don't know when to stop.

I'm an amazingly funny and likeable guy while drunk but I can be an utter gobshite while completely trashed.

 

Can you drink a little bit everyday?

Instead of shitloads every weekend?

 

simultaneously drinking a drink of beer and stabbing someone???
no really just kidding.

i got understand it now.

 

I can have a beer or two every night. No problem.

It's just, when it happens that everybody goes out on the same night, and there's electricity in the air, and everything just happens to feel great, I fucking love drinking.

I love the taste. I love the feeling of slow intoxication. I love the hectic chinking of glasses. I love loud music. I love dancing. I love getting others drunk.

But I hate the way that sometimes, I just fucking lose it and cannot stop/don't want to stop.

I really think it would be a lot easier for me to give up drinking altogether than to say that I wasn't going to get too wasted again, and carry through with it..

 

2 of my bestfriends poured bear on my head when i was puking one time from too much goldschlager. i was ready to beat the shit outta them, but another best friend was there to calm me down.

no bad feelings the next day haha.

 

alcohol can be a terrible drug, especially when you have too much of it. being drunk can be an excuse for some things, but anything serious I think you must take responsiblity for. I'm sorry you lost your dignity and a good friend, but I'm sure the friend at least is not lost for ever.

as for your quitting alcohol, that is probably not a bad idea. I've really been toying with the idea myself lately (as well as laying off the ganja!) though for me it'd mainly be to save money, my dignity is long lost anyways. it's nice to feel intoxicated, and the effects can be beneficial in that it loosens you up and makes it easier to talk to people, especially new people, but it should be possible to find that state of mind without drugs, in my opinion.

 

voluntairally imparing ones judgement is not ever any kind of excuse for anything.

if anything just the opposite. people who do so as an excuse to make a pain in the ass of themselves are making themselves that much bigger assholes by doing so.

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i think people who use the "i was drunk" excuse when they cheat on their sig other are full of shit.............................

 

I think it really all depends. you have to be realistic about these things; people are going to drink and they're likely to get out of hand.
I usually only do really bad stuff when I'm blacked out.

 

Being around intoxicated people scares the F*&^% out of me. I am very uncomfortable around drunk people. Maybe because it's the loss of control I feel.

I am not a "drinker". I like a beer or a glass of wine but I can't drink more than that or I get sick.

That being said there are other "buzzes" I do prefer.

 

I, thankfully, have never been a complete asshole or did anything horrific while I was drunk when I use to drink...Though, when sober, that's a different story...

About ten years ago, I was at a get together with some friends (yes, I had friends), one who was so drunk that I'm surprised he wasn't passed out somewhere, well, he wouldn't leave me alone and was being extremely "hands on" to where I literally had to fight him to get him off of me..After a few days we talked and I told him what had happened and he felt really bad and I knew he did and was just really drunk, I just made a note to myself to avoid him while he's intoxicated, but I don't think he ever drank that much after that incident but who knows...
But I guess it would just depend on the situation if I would hold something against someone, like if the above situation would have went farther and so forth then yeah, I would have...
But verbally, no, I don't hold what people say to me while intoxicated against them, because I don't really hold anything anyone says about me or to me while sober against them really...

 

I have the same problem Red. I do at least admit that I am an acloholic of the worst kind. The next step for me to get any lower is to chug mouth wash before work when I run out of money, which honestly if Aura and my son were not involved with my life, I would probably be doing every morning. I've recently however, decided to quit drinking. The other weekend I went to a 2 hour group meditation session, and for the following week I felt refreshed and completley healthy, and drank wine one night but had no beer or whiskey at all. Until yesterday, when I found myself drinking beer at 8am because 'its the weekend' and 'my birthday is on Tuesday' so Im allowed to celebrate.
Unfortunatley I have proven to myself time and time again that I can not drink just on the weekend, and I can not stop drinking once I've cracked a beer until Im passed out entirely. I have become exactly like my father and it's horrible. I do plan on quitting as of yesterday though, and hopefully I have the patience and inner strength to deal with my stress and problems head on rather than just give up and drown them in a bottle.
That being said however, there is a major difference between being tipsy drunk and being able to function in order to perform this horrible behaviour which get's excused, and being entirely blacked out, psycho time drunk where you have no concept of reality.
Neither are excusable because you do it to yourself, although sometimes the alcohol sneaks up on you and you go into black out mode. When that has happened to me, it has always been unintentional, and always left me feeling like I may as well be laying in a gutter somewhere, having used up all my forgiveness from family and friends.
Im feeling very positive about quitting though, as my happyness has been increasing ever since that meditation and only yesterday did that feeling of need to drink arise, and I succumbed immediatley. Hopefully I have more control in the future, and I refuse to keep even a beer in my house from this day forward. Weddings and celebrations for important events are one thing, but drinking because Im bored or stressed out is just sad (no matter how funny it is at the time :tongue: )
God Bless ~

 

^good luck! :cheers2:

(i know, least appropriate smiley... but the sentiments expressed are right anyway)