Is another Hippie Revolution coming?

Do you vote or have any real interest in politics? If so, in what sense? Just curious.

 

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Swimmingly. But cvebj is besides the point. If I conceive this, chances be damned to probabloddities that I fathomed its creation beforehand. Sinceserely, scarpering down the aeons bearing more light than a magnate, we drown the shipyard for wrunken tre whores. It's junely not a forlt ---da whey cruds wii billet.

Little peeps, the eye is fine!

 

How do you spare peoples feelings aside from ending their ability to have sensations?

Do I appear as someone who has little?

Other than geographical what would that gap be?

His success is dependent upon the agreement of everyone else to have it so.

 

Do you vote dope? Do politics interest you?

 

The difference between American Idol and the presidential race is that on American Idol your vote actually counts. I still remember a discussion I had with a social studies teacher in highschool that went something like this

Teacher: In American Democracy you vote for an elector who then votes for his choice for president.
Me: So my vote doesn't count.
Teacher: You don't understand your vote does count. First you vote then an elector decides who he's going to vote for.
Me: So my vote doesn't count.

This discussion went on for about 5 minutes about the same way. In 1960 Richard Nixon won the popular vote and John F. Kennedy won the electoral vote. In 2000 Al Gore won the popular vote and George W. Bush won the electoral vote. The very act of a popular election for president every 4 years is a grand gesture to placate the populace into believing that they actually have a voice in the decision to be president. I believe that Nixon was a schmuck and a crook but I do agree with the concept of disbanding the electoral college.

Any type of control is an illusion. The world that we know and see is an illusion. You get to choose how you interact with that illusion.

Here is the thing. I keep reading about this revolution like it is an external thing. All of this really is a very complex experiment with almost infinate variables. If you simply change one variable in the equation you change the whole equation. Critical Mass doesn't need to be achieved. A boulder can be broken by dripping water.

People talk about how difficult change is. It isn't. It is the only thing in the universe that is constant. As I sit here typing this there are cells in my body dying. They are also being replaced by other cells. I am not thinking about this I have no control over this. This is change on a very real level. I only worry about what I can control. Mahatma Ghandhi once said "Be the change you want to see in the world." You don't have to change your life all at once. If you just change one thing each day at the end of the week you will have changed 7 things. At the end of the Monty you have changed 30 things. At the end of the year you have changed 365 things. THAT is revolution kids. Not putting the kings head on a stake next to the front gate.

Peace Out,
Rev J

 

For those who wish to discuss the idea rather then making things personal...


Noise, is all the shit in life that people put energy into that accomplished nothing new.

Protesting at the G8/G20... Someone asked why it was held here instead of on an island where there wouldn't be the issues... Why was it held here? Because with it being here, it was an excellent noise generator.

Arguing about whether or not two human beings should have equal rights or not (racism, sexism etc)... Why is it such an issue? Because of the noise it creates... it can even be turned on and off at the will of those in power.

Arguing about which political system label we operate under... Does it matter what you call the system? Does it matter what the system says it is? What matters is what we, the people accept and don't accept in life. The rest is just noise...

The 'hippie revolution'??? I don't see it as having happened... It had started... but it never finished... it was distracted by the noises of the day...

Which was more important of a goal to accomplish back in the 60s? Was it that women shouldn't have to wear bras, or that countries should be energy self sufficient?

Which changed?

Right at this very instant, we have millions and millions of gallons of oil spewing into our oceans, with very real possibilities of really fucking up the world... We heard nothing about it during the G8/G20 meetings... meetings that pretty much everyone acknowledges accomplished absolutely fuck all that couldn't have been accomplished over the phone or net... The protests there didn't accomplish anything either... some people broke and destroyed some shit, others were arrested... nothing changed...

A lot of nothing but noise...

Globalization... now theres one fuck of a noise generator...

What happened to one love, one people, one planet, we're all equal? People who on one hand talk about unity and peace, SCREAM about the horrors of globalization... Think of all the horrible things that could happen if one government controlled it all...

Wars would stop, killing the economy of most of the 'modern' civilizations... research into weapons and ways to kill the people of other countries would be diverted putting millions out of work, directly or indirectly... More reasearch would be done on good things like health care and longevity, leading to the extreme overpopulation of the planet, especially when combined with the lack of wars between countries to keep the population down... when natural disasters happened, they could be dealt with directly without a lot of bullshit and red tape (official noise) over whose country it is and who is responsible.... saving yet more lives, increasing the already huge inflated population... this all would lead to more reseach and development into space travel and associated technologies, allows us humans out into the universe at large to spread our fuckedupness everywhere...

Yeah, horrible shit... fight globalization, we don't want to be one, we dont want to have one love, we dont want to share a planet...

Or at least thats what it sounds like through all the... you guessed it...

noise

 

Let me make it clear. If you feel personally attacked it is because your ego is making up the very real physical distance between heywood and yourself.

 

Have you not been watching the news....G20

 

I have voted and subsequently had the sobering realization that I had just participated in a charade. What politics has become sickens me. In truth I have very little real interest in politics as they have successfully made it difficult to impossible to truly comprehend what's really going on... that means discarding what legislation is being promoted as and finding out what has been buried in mountains of "disclosure" that would take weeks to fully understand... for someone with nothing else to do.

I see a system that exists largely outside the interest of the working class... which is kept far too busy and distracted in pursuit of an illusion of happiness- conveniently defined by a corporate culture that profits obscenely from that pursuit. I see a government that acts mainly in the interests of the corporate culture... and makes speeches in response to our needs. I see as the middle class a herd of pathetic sheep willingly being led to slaughter and an information/propaganda machine quick to label those who stand up against this cultural perversion of the concept of liberty with whatever will inflame the most people against them and their message.

I see a majority actively participating in the cultural demise and realize that it's majority rule... and there ain't jack shit I'm going to be able to do about it.

There's all this talk about the new hippie movement and I can accept that among the many voices advocating it are some who are sincere but realize that to most folks a "hippie revolution" is little more than a sound track and a wardrobe.

My interests are selfish- like most others. I strongly believe that at least in the case of the United States the government has become a criminal organization adept at legalizing the larceny of its cronies as well as itself with a quick and quiet repeal- that is often hidden in the mountains of legalese of unrelated legislation.

Since the prime motivating factor seems to be money then I see the only chance we have of turning things around is if we first endure the mother of all economic collapses that forces us to break our economic addictions to the infrastructure and all it serves. Our spiritual entities are being lost in this perverse game of "He Who Dies With the Most toys Wins" which will almost certainly have ~ZERO~ meaning to us when we finally and permanently occupy a pine box or urn.

Perhaps this doesn't fully answer your question but...

 

We may have many misconceptions about the world but the world is real, you are real. We limit our effects to the extent that we are uncertain of our goal.

 

Politic is shrewdness tact and cunning. I am political, I do not vote. I am civil, I do not pledge allegiance.

 

By patronizing them, or pretending like it's perfectly okay for someone to be a cynical, pretentious dumbass when it's actually not okay.

If I was to guess right now, I would have to say 'yes', but then again, I don't really know you. Maybe you're sitting on a fortune right now. But if you are rich and you're not spending your money on nice things in order to keep up with your rich peers, then you're a minority. Also, people who are philosophical and live their lives according to some personal derivation of Eastern-flavored spirituality tend not to be rich and powerful. But I could be wrong.

No offense, but I don't think you realize just how many people don't live in the world that you apparently do. I guess in the whole grand scheme of things where everyone is connected to everyone else and we're all part of a giant cosmic ecosystem and plurality is an illusion preventing us from knowing/being each other, then yes, there are no separations... but most people on Earth don't even really know what that means. I mean, they can understand the concept, but it's not necessarily something they can identify with, or if they imagine it, it's not what other people imagine-- sort of like God.

But if you don't think that class and socioeconomic position is probably the number one driving force in the majority's lives... and that most people fight/work to achieve or maintain a lifestyle that is respectable and comfortable because of what it 'says' about them as human beings... then I probably wouldn't think you get out very much.

Most people are raised to believe that a doctor or a lawyer is a really good job, and being a janitor is a lowly one. If you make more money, then you are doing much better in life than someone who is poor. Just because it's cruel or unfair or less-than-ideal, that doesn't make it any less popular as a belief... and it IS something that a lot of people believe... even if they hate themselves for believing it, or wish it was another way.

Yeah maybe, but I don't think everyone sees it that way.

 

No no, it does. You're very straight forward.

There's all this talk about the new hippie movement and I can accept that among the many voices advocating it are some who are sincere but realize that to most folks a "hippie revolution" is little more than a sound track and a wardrobe.

This made me smile. It's very true. That and people tend to not take one as seriously if they identify with 'hippie' values. That's my experience anyways.

I had an english teacher once who I used to have in depth discussions with about the nature of western society. He grew up very poor and without much food, clothing, etc. After he went to university and started teaching his whole world opened up because he was making around $65,000 - $80,000 a year. He bought good clothes, good cars, took up golfing, etc. and he loved his life. He'd often badger me about the content of essays I had written, often referring to my work as, "pie in the sky ideas" or "hippie values." He'd often overlook the technical aspects of my writing (which was the only part of it he was supposed to mark) and take issue with what I had written, not taking the paper seriously. He was so happy with his money and so grateful to the system that he'd literally take it personally if I criticised it. I think that there are millions of people out there that just get so caught up with what they can have, what they do have and what they don't have that they can't be bothered to even begin to question the nature of the system.

It can be a very dark subject, at least when one realises, as you said, there's most likely nothing anyone can do about it. You either join em (you're never going to beat em), or you live simply and happily, but with the constant nagging realisation that you're stuck on a little spinning wheel.

 

Why do you only define riches as money? If you really think this way, I can absolutely assure you that you will never be rich. Regardless of how much money you ever earn or save.


You are wrong

Dr.Wayne Dyer

 

Well to be fair it happens. What is not okay about it?

What we have is a biological creaturehood and it's power is derived from the breath.

No offense but if you think you exist on a different planet than me, that is a little looney. From the perspective of the absolute, everything else is an abstraction. The mind is naturally abstract and it sets the parameters of limited experience.

Believe is, make believe.

 

I like this... but if you ask me, it's also sort of deferring responsibility. Okay, so everyone is responsible for themselves... but what about people who don't want to take responsibility? What about people who have nothing to gain and everything to lose by doing so?

In order for the 'everyone be responsible for themselves' thing to work, everyone would have to act spontaneously, make the same or at least similar decisions, and not make 'changes' that come into conflict with anyone else's changes.

Really, external pressure CAN do wonders. The ideal solution would be to apply the right kind of external pressure on the right people while also maintaining the established order-- which is actually how things work now. But do it according to a different value system.

While I don't support terrorism, in a way I can understand it... when you think about 9/11-- who exactly do you think was the target there? The media and the politicians told you it was 'America', but it wasn't-- it was the wealthy. It was the 1% or whatever of the world that holds onto 90% of the world's wealth. It had nothing to do with 'ordinary Americans'.

Unfortunately, Bush managed to spin it into something that actually made the politicians into heroes and victims, and suddenly it was a war against 'ordinary, hardworking Americans'... who were then subsequently shipped off to die in two wars waged for the sole purpose of keeping the wealthy wealthy.

When protesting and lobbying aren't working/get censored, then you've got to step things up... and violence is something that everyone understands.

 

You're getting too caught up with material things here. "Nothing to gain and everything to lose." What will you really lose if things change? You'll be homeless, jobless, have no toys? And why do you assume there are people with nothing to gain. Everyone has the capacity to gain from goodness.

 

If you are looking for a fundamental reset button never fear. We have a history of being schmucked and reworked. We owe our current dominance to mass extinction.

 

I meant riches literally, as in wealth, as in money. Obviously you can be happy and not have a lot of money... people are capable of contenting themselves with pretty much any situation. But that is not what I thought we were discussing.

But since you mention it, I know some rich people and they're pretty freakin' happy. I've noticed that they tend to be happiest when sailing around the world on their yachts, or driving classic cars that you would never be able to afford, or basically doing whatever they feel like doing because they don't have to worry about getting enough food or fixing their car or paying their bills. They get all the happiness of a nice family, weddings, grandchildren, free time, etc... that most people have... but with the added perks of vacations in Europe, Africa, or wherever.

In many ways, the whole 'money can't buy happiness' thing is a slogan that the middle class adopt in order to excuse themselves from not trying harder. Again, I'm not saying that the middle class can't be happy unless they're rich, or that poor people can't be happy unless they're not poor... but the whole 'rich people must be miserable' thing is 100 percent BS. They're really really really NOT miserable, and even tend to be happier than a lot of poor people I've known (not that I haven't met some happy poor people).