Is "America Attack" now over?

I doubt it is in the constitution.
I just heard it on some documentary...it could have been just an assertion.
I suspect if you looked back in history most Presidents have done something to "Spread American values" in other words: Interests.
I think the British used to call it "Taming the savages."
I think Americans call it "Manifest Destiny." or "expansionism."
Not to say that all of it was or is bad...giving aid and assistance (medical and social) to third world countries is the better side of these goals.

 

Many people only have to support military action, for them to be a "warmonger."
Obama supports the war in Afghanistan, so, is apparently a "warmonger."
I guess you have not read many of guys' posts?

 

Matter of opinion, I suspect.
Anyhoo, that was not what you said or I was responding too.

 

So, do you think we will have a lot to talk about in "America Attacks"?
I guess you're saying "America Attacks" will be in moth-balls" for a while!
It seems such a negative term and one more attached to Bush than Obama.
Do you know what I mean? - Obama is seen as a beacon of light in comparison to Bushs shadow of darkness.
His war in Afghanistan will probably be seen as: "Bringing stability to the middle east."

 

If I were to do anything which is against my neighbor, I would see it as a form of attack. And if my neighbor were to do things that harmed me in some way, I would feel attacked. Therefore, I stand by what I said. I never say anything I don't mean.

Tho opinions are like a--holes, It would seem that the huge majority of the world feels the same way about king Georgie-boy. Opinion has it that he is the biggest screw-up to ever hit the world stage. He has attacked the very foundations of positive force for good in this world and pissed in just about everybody's swimming pool somehow or another.

Obama is stepping directly into Georgie's shit pile, and I hope his boots are hip waders. It is going to be virtually impossible for him to fix every screw-up that has come about before his presence in office. He is only a figurehead anyhow. He's gotta work with and around the rest of the evil bastards. He could only do so much to counteract, even if he were Jesus...

 

That's fair enough. So how has he attacked his neighbours?
I suppose I wondered what countries he has actually physically attacked.

I woudn't claim to know the worlds opinion, but recognise he is not the most loved person in the world.
He does command some respect in some countries though, where America helps out with humanitarian aid.
Heck, there are streets named after him.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=081224144851.mzptko0i&show_article=1
(one of many)
I also Imagine some people in Iraq think he has helped them in the long run.

But, I do think it will take history a LONG time to be fair to him.

He can atleast do what he has promised and not back down from those commitments.

 

I suppose he'll try...

As for Bush, Don't mean to be short, but all you really need to do to get the answers to your questions is research like I do all the time. Alternative media perhaps?

Amazingly enough, no matter how screwed up something is, there is always someone out there who would try to paint it as something else. That's no surprise. You'll have that.

What I see is Bush the roll model. And he is a HORRIBLE one. What I see is that most people who are not leader types are follower types, and if the highest office in the land is behaving badly, it somehow creates a condition where it seems more acceptable to behave badly. Shit rolls downhill. I see the moral fiber of the land slowly being eroded due to one very poor but powerful roll model. Not one or two specific places, but the world taken as a whole. Look at it this way. What would you do if your boss were to slowly lose his mind over the course of a few years? How would you know at what point he went from being sane to being insane? How would you know where to draw the line if your job were at stake? What if your job was working among MANY people with the same boss? Don't you suppose that there would be those who would try to see him as being in the right because he IS the boss.? Some folks would recognize the trouble right away, while others would try to find reason in the madness. And those who try to see him as being right would try to convince the others. And because he is the boss, the others would try to give him the benefit of the doubt... Only a small handfull of employees in a situation like that would actually step up and say NO and quit. The rest would continue to try to convince themselves and others that everything was really OK. Which would pave the way for more insanity. It's psychology. And psychologically speaking, I think George Bush has done more harm to the entire world than any other world leader ever has. Including Hitler. You can thank advanced global communication for that.

 

We shall see.

I do know the narrative given to him by the majority of the media here and In Amaerica.
I imagine he fairs no better around the rest of the world.
Perhaps perception wise he has faired poorly, no doubt about that.
But, according to similar narratives it seems, the same is said about Blair...then he ends up being the Middle East "peace" Envoy for the Quartet..."go figure."..but I guess that's more to do with feelings amongst world leaders than "the people" or "the media."
What I am saying is his record may fair better.

I wouldn't give any more credance to "Alternative media" though, as once I read an article on Indy media, about the time he choked on a pretzel and they made it seem like he had just declared war on Cuba for pity's sake.
If the dude can't choke on a pretzel with out it being the end of western civilisation...then he doesn't have a chance.

I don't have a problem with people ripping his record apart...if it is fair and is backed up with evidence.
What I can't really tolerate is when that does not happen.
It starts off with "war for oil" and ends up with him apparently clinging on to power for ever.
It really does get a little crazy.

I get your analogy and although I feel it is slightly unfair (especially: Not one or two specific places, but the world taken as a whole. )...I would have to write a fair bit in response...and I'm not upto it right now.
But, to be honest, I didn't wish to defend or condone Bush per se...
I'll leave that upto wiser people than me.

 

For hints about US/British foreign policy google Operation Ajax.

 

Are you serious? The manipulation techniques are really effective ... I did fall for it too at first. Not anymore!

http://www.sprword.com/videos/menbehindbarack/

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281

Presidents are not the ones in power, doesn't matter who is there ... they're just puppets to entertain people. Watch his actions not words and you'll see ...

 

No one really has clean hands, now do they?

 

PS- That flag needs an assault rifle...

 

And it also needs Maple Leaf and a full-on Union Jack.

Still no clean hands. Everyone has a history of enslaving someone else, or at least trying to assimilate them and suppress their native culture. We're a horrible species.

 

Damn straight.

 

the war will not be over till america has completely exhausted its money supplies.

once thats happened the parasite can move onto another host

 

I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about this forum.

 

either way the war will not stop

america still losing men, still losing equipment

and re opening the original other battlefield of the eastern front

america absolutely not stop until it is utterly exhausted its resources and goodwill. obama can talk all the goodwill he wants but he has to walk the talk and if he can't do he will be the one who loses georges war's. the only reason obama is making the same mistakes is because he is listening to the same people who have nutured the wars along in the first place.

obama needs to cut his losses and pull the troops out

the only way to stop problems is to stop training and nuturing terrorist elements within his own administration and other terrorists around the world.

the money saved can be used to get america off the addiction of oil.

this will not happen

the war will continue

 

Well then, guy, I take it you don't think this forum will close.
I hope to god the same things are not said, merely the names will change.

 

from a historical perspective it is only maybe a few years until america launches the next war and people are complaining about it.

america is fighting two wars at the moment

they haven't taken serious casualty rates , it was only with 50,000 dead that america finally left vietnam

america is scaling back the attack on iraq so it can open another front on iran, there is no end in sight.

iran on the other hand is busy making rockets (they launched a satellite in the last couple of days using made a rocket they built) and making nuclear isotopes. iran understand from the last couple of decades from america attacking them via iraq, finally attacking iraq, attacking afghanistan, attacking pakistan (they have now moved across the border) , that there is no negotiation, no going back.

the die is cast

america is now or already readying an attack on iran, the war has already started, obama has probably learnt about the attack in the last couple of days.

"peace" in iraq can only spell war on iran.

i'm quite sure that the america attacks forum is here to stay.

this makes the right wing messianic christians and jehova's merrymakers very happy, they will not stop until they have killed all other cultures and religions.

 

not to be nitpicky, but if your assertion is that obama is just a figurehead, wouldnt that mean that bush was essentially just a figurehead as well?