Is Al Quaida is Jewish?

NOTE: The following is NOT sarcasm.

I find the ongoing actions of the modern Israeli government absolutely reprehensible. I think that the idea of a magical entity existing in a different dimension and alloting specific sections of land masses to people on Earth who wear a particular sort of silly hat is an incredibly outdated and embarrassingly ignorant one.

This is the twenty-first century! Admittedly, synogogues, churches and mosques have been emptying over the past few decades, but it's remarkable to me that it's taking so long...

I am a pacifist, but if I could press a button and wipe out all the neo-zionists on the planet, I wouldn't hesitate for a second. In fact, I'd likely break my finger by stabbing at it too hard and repeatedly.

IMPORTANT FOOTNOTE:
I have no problem whatsoever with conservative and reform Jews, but I find neo-zionism and orthodox Judaism (and other forms of religious fundamentalism, i.e. Islam & Christianity) totally inexcusable, ethically and intellectually.

Peacelove (with a side order of reason),
Aldousage

 

Can I just point out the general logical insanity being used by the truthers here? When anyone calls them out about being a flaming anti-semite, they whine about 'not being able to criticise Israel' . Here's a little guide for what is anti semetic, and what is criticising Israel:


CRITICISM OF ISRAEL:

"The invasion of southern Lebanon was a heavy handed approach to take over a crisis that could have been resolved diplomatically"

ANTI-SEMETISM:

"There is a jewish plot to rule the world. Jews are in place high up in every government on earth pushing their agenda"

"The middle east is run by crypto-jews"

See my point?

Also, can I just back up what Hiptastic has been saying please?

How the fuck, Xexon, can you possibly say that it doesn't matter that what you've said in the OP is a load of bullshit? On that logic Hitler was entirely innocent of the Holocaust. Hell, he just told people there was a jewish plot to rule the world, not his point to prove, he just told people, not his fault if they took it to be true. I'm not Jewish, religiously or otherwise. So don't go accusing me of being an ADL member. But I'm sorry Xexon, there is no way in fuck you aren't racist.

 

Well, the racial poopy stuff just keeps oozing out of people, don't it?

Must push buttons faster to keep up now.


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Let's discuss the following link. Canadian input welcome.

http://www.geocities.com/anarchore/zionistpols.html



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I only got through the first couple of sentences, but it looks really cool. Thanks for sharing it.

And to which race are you referring when you speak of "racial poopy stuff"? Negroid, caucasoid or mongoloid?

 

I shouldn't have to defend myself against what Xenon says. I don't agree with him that Jews run everything. I think that's very naive. Is there an element of truth to some of it? Sure. However, I believe that all religions and ethnicities are part of the agenda Xenon speaks of. To point the finger at any one group is rather naive. The Jews don't run anything any more than Bush does. They are merely fronts used for people to direct their hatred and divert them away from the big picture.

Most people don't understand that at one time only Jews were allowed to be the moneylenders. Did this law come from the Jews? No, it came from the Vatican. So the elite always set up their front groups to take all the blame, while the real powers behind the scenes are protected from any scrutiny.

I believe that the Jewish people have been set up by some very ruthless people, who have no allegience to any ethnicity or religion (other than of their own inner circle). The Jews who are a part of this agenda do not hold the same beliefs and values as the average Jew, who is merely used as a pawn in this diabolical scheme (as we all are to varying degrees).

 

The most adament defenders of Israel have no real idea about the reason for Israel's creation or the people behind it. Israel was not set up as a "homeland for the Jewish people" as we are told. The people behind Israel couldn't be any more different in mindset from the average Jew who believes everything they've been told. Nor do they give a damn about Israel's people who are used as walking targets to justify further destabilization and takover of that region. I have always found it rather interesting, however, how the most secular Jews are the biggest defenders of Israel and whatever it does to incite the violence brought against it through ongoing provocation.

 

I would also like to suggest that a lot of this so-called "anti-Semitic" material put out on various websites and in various publications is put out by groups linked to zionism. Many of the people who focus all their attention on Jews and zionism don't realize that any perceived anti-Semitism is only of benefit to zionism, because it is then used to marginalize anyone who asks even the most legitimate questions.

I really don't think Xenon is anti-Jew, though he may be somewhat mislead. He is certainly closer to the truth than some people. But that truth can be easily tainted with misinformation. It's good that Xenon looks beyond what is reported in the mainstream media. However, it doesn't mean that what he says is correct. I believe there is a lot of truth to much of this stuff, but the truth is often muddied with disinfo designed to marginalize anyone who asks legitimate questions that pose a threat to the established order.

 

Amigo, I see a lot more than I may let on.

If you've ever read my posts in the religious forums, you know that I see this world as transitory. It has no real reality to me as a spiritual being other than what I choose to involve myself in.

I play with the humanity that I used to be a part of.

Still human myself. But the idea of self has been understood and delgated to the task of spokesperson rather than dictator. The profound shift in perception results in a desire to serve ALL of humanity. Not just segments. Not just one country over another or one religion over another.

I call out those who threaten humanity as a whole. I am indifferent as to their nationality or race.

I don't discriminate.

If I am vocal about one group or another, its because they have done something to attract my attention. This is based on their actions. My reaction is going to assess what danger they represent to the world as a whole. With NO favoritism.

I only offer commentary about what I see, based on these actions.

I leave it to others to explore the possibility of what I say may be true or not.

Most will only dig an inch or two and brand me a fool.



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If we were to dig deeper than an inch or two, we would find a genius in fool's clothing?

I remain skeptical, but at the same time amused.

Again, your eloquent and educated reference to "racial poopy stuff" was about what race specifically? Negroid, Caucasoid or Mongoloid?

 

Anytime you classify someone beyond the term human, you start running into little asteroids composed of different opinions.

I don't go there personally, but because I understand the mechanics behind it, I can stimulate responses in those who have a nerve close to the surface. I know where the racial G spot is in people.

Some of ya'll got pretty excited.



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I'm not excited. When I said that I'm amused, I didn't mean I was dancing with glee or laughing uproariously. Just a small grin of condescension.

 

I hope you are not including Mongoloid as it was used in the past for Down's Syndrome. Those people are the most peaceful loving folks on this earth, perhaps they are the meek that will inherit it.

I imagine you're using it as a substitute for Asian, but then I have to ask why are other indigenous easily identifiable races let out like Native Americans, or Australia's Aborigines don't they count? What about Hspanics, what about Gypsies/Romani?

All reflections on race seem to be a little poopy to me.

 

Those are the terms used in science. They are not meant to be "feel good" words. "Asian" would not be suitable in reference to genetic traits, as many parts of Asia are home to caucasian peoples (for example, India). Using geographic terminology to define a person's race has been considered politically incorrect for several decades now.

As for your "what abouts" - those are all cultural/ethnic, as opposed to racial, subdivisions. As a fellow humanist, I urge you to research this subject. I think it's important that we who define ourselves as humanists have at least a basic knowledge of human evolution, the genome project, and the related sciences.

Additionally, I think that an increase in such subdivisions as you've suggested (for social, rather than scientific reasons) is a very bad idea, ethically. Why dwell further on irrelevant ways in which we differ (for example, extremely minor physical differences like those you've inferred - Hispanic to Roman, for example)? We're all human. We're all equal.

Peacelove,
Aldousage of the Canadian Race

P.S: Sorry for coming across as so poopy-doopy!

 

So let’s see an assertion is made on the authority of a seemingly made up quote.

When pulled up on that, the poster replies that –

“Not my baby to carry. I just hang laundry on the line and allow others to make their judgement based on what they see. If they buy it, fine. If not, fine again.”

In other words they don’t care if the quote is true or not, it’s about belief, if someone believes it to be true then it must be right, it’s a fishing trip for unquestioning converts.

That’s not politics it’s religion or a fairy story.

I mean it’s like quoting the bible as proof for the existence of a god or Snow White as proof for the existence of Dwarfs and Witches.

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Imagine someone made up a quote – ‘Nelson Mandela admitted today that black people are less intelligent than white people’ – then someone else spreads that fabrication as if it were fact, not knowing or caring if the quote is true or not, and saying ‘if people believe it, fine. If not, fine again’.

The question that needs to be asked is why are they doing it?

- They claim that it is to make people ‘think’?

If so what do they want them to ‘think’?

- That maybe people should ask if white people are more intelligent than black people?

So they are spreading a lie to try and make people think about an unfounded and racist lie? So if some unquestioning person does believe it are they helping to spread or reinforce racist views?

Again the question is why are they doing that?

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And that’s the question that always springs into my head when I encounter conspiracy theorists – what are they doing it for, what do they want, what do they want people to do, how do they want them to act?

And time and again the reply seems to be that they want them to talk about conspiracy, they want to spread the ‘truth’ and to ‘open people’s minds’ but the actual results seem only to assist the actual spread of the ‘evils’ they claim to want to stop.

Like Rat, whose rants over the ages, if actually analysed and contrary to his hoarse assertions to the contrary, only seem aimed at increasing the power of the right wing and wealthy global elites.

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So let’s see.

Xexon, what do you want done?

You seem to believe that Islamic terrorism and Saudi Arabia are under the control of a conspiracy that’s guiding their actions.

What would you want done about it?

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Radical Zionism is much like a brain cancer.

It spreads throughout the host body, intertwining itself around critical nerve networks and blood vessels. Removal is all but impossible without radical procedures. Even then you run the risk of killing the patient.

I don't see that the current problem can be fixed. Things have been put in place that will continue their forward momentum even if there was revolution tomorrow to stop the people behind it.

This is going to have to play itself out. People are going to have to suffer and die because of it. They're going to have to have it rubbed in their face before they see there's even a problem.

Just like in the early days of Germany and the Nazi party.

We are in the calm before the storm.



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Right, so, to combat radical zionism, you make shit up? Or at least post clearly made up shit? Well that says wonders about the conspiracy theorist movement.

Also, throwing pseudo-philosophical theories about the world in between bigotry doesn't make you seem any less of a bigot.

 

Oh the same old story – nothing can be done - so don’t do anything (except talk endlessly about conspiracy).

I mean do you know how pathetic and dumb that sounds – hey folks I believe that the Nazi’s are going to take over so I’m going to do nothing to try and stop them and I’m even going to try and discourage others from doing anything by telling them nothing, not even radical change, is going to work.

So Xexon who do you think such an attitude would serve? Would it threaten the supposed Nazis or aid them in getting into power.

I gdon’t think it takes much thought to realise it would aid them.

So in effect you’re aiding the Nazis.

You’re actively working for the Nazis cause.

Are you in fact a Nazis?

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Take what I say or don't. I'm not twisting anyone's arm. You folks are tying yourself into knots on this issue. I'm just watching.

I'm the kind of person who likes to ask "what if".

What if what I say is true? What if our nation has been hijacked away from the people? I can prove it as much as others can disprove it. It would never end. But, the future WILL prove me right or wrong.

That makes some people uncomfortable.

I'm content to wait.


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But Xexon you believe that these boggy men are going to take over and your response to this threat is to do nothing to try and stop them; you’re even trying to discourage others from doing anything by telling them nothing, not even radical change, is going to work.

So again I ask who do you think such an attitude would serve?

You’ve said it’s like the Nazi takeover of Germany but would your course of action (or rather non-action) have threaten the Nazis or aid them in getting into power.

I don’t think it takes much thought to realise it would have aided them.

It makes me wonder what you’re playing at, what your true motives are?