Is Al Quaida is Jewish?

Oh say yippy, yet more cut and paste

The thing is xexon, anyone can cut and paste, but that doesn’t mean they actually believe it or care if it’s true or false.

Remember the neo-cons with Saddam’s supposed wmd’s, they did the equivalent to what you are doing , picking bits here and there that are meant to convince the saps that Saddam had them, they didn’t have to believe the information true or care if it was true or false, all that mattered was their agenda.

I’m asking you what your agenda really is?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dSHl3C9kgY

Make sure you read the comments after. I'm hardly alone in calling zionism what it is.

http://www.freeman.org/m_online/oct03/plaut1.htm

From the mouth of a well known Jew: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/objects/pages/PrintArticleEn.jhtml?itemNo=360539

Thoughts of an anti-zionist Jew: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0806/S00392.htm

Need I go on? Is there not enough evidence before you to show that zionism in not Judaism?

It's an occupation force within the governments of both Israel and the United States.


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Oh and say yeah, yet more links.

The thing is xexon, anyone can link to some website or other, but that doesn’t mean they actually believe in what’s said there or care if it’s true or false.

Remember the neo-cons with Saddam’s supposed wmd’s, they did the equivalent to what you are doing , picking bits here and there that are meant to convince the gullible that Saddam had piles of them, they didn’t have to believe the information true or care if it was true or false, all that mattered was their agenda.

I’m asking you why you are hiding yours?

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To educate about the dangers of zionism.

That's it in a nutshell. I have nothing further to add to it, so don't ask.

Believe it or not, but don't attack me for believing it.

"Forum Description: Discuss America's Wars on Terrorism and Iraq and it's Effects on Civil Liberties. Thank you for supporting OUR right to free speech WITHOUT BEING ATTACKED for OUR views. This forum is for members only!"

I only ask you do your job.


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To educate about the dangers of zionism.


Sorry I’ve already explained that doesn’t seem to stand up to scrutiny.

Believe it or not


But I don’t believe it and I’ve already told you why I don’t, you don’t seem to dispute what I’ve said you just keep telling me to stop saying it.

If you believe I’m wrong please explain why, if not, then what I’ve said stands.

All you seem to be doing is pushing some conspiracy theories for an agenda you doggedly refusing to discuss.

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As many like yourself are not going to believe anything I say anyway, I have to draw on outside sources to lend support to my position. Copy and paste is how I do this. That is the normal way of doing things on a forum, yes?

Maybe it's because you're an Englishman that you can't understand me.

I've watched my government (since the days of Kennedy) being slowy taken over by these people. Its been slow, deliberate, and with intent. Not unlike a predator sneaking up on it's prey. This greatly alarms me as a citizen. Most of my fellow countrymen are too busy feathering their own nest to be bothered by the likes of me, DESPITE how this nation has changed into a militaristic bully around the world. They don't care.

This intrusion of our government gained tremendous speed under Reagan. Jimmy Carter was set up for failure, allowing an actor to become president and pretend he represented the American people. Reagan was the first neocon talking head.

The zionist/neocon agenda been running the country ever since.

Jimmy Carter is still taking heat from the zionists, especially since the publication of his last book calling unwelcome attention to Israel. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6605934

They want to kill Jimmy Carter REAL bad, but are content to know that his age will soon do the job for them. If only Kennedy had been so lucky.

Jimmy Carter loves his God. He is a good and decent man. He actually lives a life that reflects Jesus' message. Because he wouldn't bow to hatred, the zionists have been picking him apart ever since.

My country is now on a headlong collision with the Muslim world because of who runs our government. Should that collision be allowed to take place, the entire world will be plunged into war.

Is that not worth avoiding?

Now you know my motivations. You can disagree with me, but you can't deny the direction the world is taking is very ominous.

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Of all the nationalities you could have chosen, you picked the wrong one to associate with Al-Qaeda, lol!

Then again, it's just a theory, right?

My belief is Al-Qaeda is Islamic (if they even exist), but it's not impossible for them to be Zionist. To entertain such a notion is not anti-semitic, just as to entertain the idea that a group of Islamic extremists perpetrated 911 isn't condemning all of Islam.

Evidently, whoever they are, our government seems to be sympathetic to them, otherwise we would've captured Bin Laden by now, and the bush administration wouldn't've used 911 as a convenient excuse for a preemptive strike on Iraq.

 

A voice of reason instead of hysterical arm flapping.

Oh, I came across that piece one day on the net and thought it would be a good topic for discussion. It IS a theory, but so is relativity.

It's a valid question. Had I wrote the piece, I would have used zionists instead of Jew. Perhaps I should have amended the title to read that way, but by the time it occured to me, the spear chukking had started.

I'm sorry if it offends people of Jewish idealogies, but the topic is impossible to discuss without it. Zionism reeks of Jewish supremacy in the same way nazism reeks of white supremacy.

I don't have any tolerance for either.



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To say al-Qaeda is "Jewish" is rather absurd. Is it an arm of the zionists? I have no doubt. But I would rather be more precise and simply say that it's an arm of Western Anglo-American intelligence, which it is. This includes not only the Mossad, but the CIA, MI6, and the Pakistani ISI. We can go back as far as the beginning of the Muslim Brotherhood, which is a masonic organization, and see the role the West played even back then in the promotion of radical Islam.

Islamic terrorism plays perfectly into the hands of the political zionists. Why? Because they use such events to justify their pre-planned solutions, which is the further takeover of the Middle East. That is Israel's sole purpose for existing in the first place. It has nothing to do with a homeland for the Jewish people, 90% of which has no ancestral heritage associated with that land.

The zionist propaganda tells us that the Jews are all one people. This could not be further from the truth. In reality, there are two types of so-called Jews, both of which are very different from one another. 90% of Jews today are Ashkenazi Jews, whose ancestry goes back to the Khazarian empire. Khazaria is what today would be the southern part of Russia, in the region of the Caucasus mountains, which are located between the Caspian and Black seas. The Khazars simply later converted to Judaism and have to connection whatsoever to the Semitic peoples of the Middle East mentioned in the Bible. It's only the Sephardic Jews, whose ancestry hails from the Middle East, who can be rightly called "Semitic" peoples.... and that's only if you believe in what the Bible says.

And besides, the word "Semitic" has NOTHING to do with race or ethnicity. It is soley to do with language. It's the Arabs who are the true Semites.

 

Here is a very revealing quote made by Israel's first Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, in a letter to the Zionist executive on December 17th, 1938:

"The saving of Jewish lives from Hitler is considered here as a potential threat to Zionism, unless they are brought to Palestine. When Zionism had to choose between the Jewish people and the Jewish state, it unhesitatingly preferred the latter."

 

"...Judaism is a religion; but Zionism is a political movement started mainly by East European (Ashkenazi) Jews who for centuries have been the main force behind communism/socialism. The ultimate goal of the Zionists is one-world government under the control of the Zionists and the Zionist-oriented Jewish international bankers."

– Jack Bernstein

"In Germany, the average Jews were victims of the Zionist elite who worked hand in hand with the Nazis. Many of those same Zionist Jews who, in Germany, had worked with the Nazis, came to Israel and joined hands with the Zionist/Communist Jews from Poland and Russia. It is the two faces of communism and Nazi-style fascism that rule Israel. Democracy is merely an illusion."

– Jack Bernstein

 

A little more on the Khazars,


"Who were the Khazars and from whence did they come? Again we will let Jewish historians from the NEW JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA, 1962, answer this.

They were a Mongolian people who embraced Judaism and flourished from the 8th through the 10th century A.D. in the territory extending between the Don and Volga Rivers, and along the shores of the Black, Caspian, and Azov Seas. The Jewish statesman Hasdai ibn Shaprut of Cordoba, in the 10th century, wrote a letter to King Joseph of the Khazars, in which he gave a detailed account of this conversion.

For the sake of interest, it should be mentioned that the Ashkenaz of the Bible refers to a people living somewhere in the vicinity of Mt. Ararat and Armenia. The name occurs in Genesis 10:3 and 1 Chronicles 1:6, as one of the sons of Gomer, who was the son of Japheth. Ashkenaz was also the brother of Togarmah and a nephew of Magog, whom the Khazars claimed as their ancestor.

Strictly speaking, these Ashkenaz Jews are misnamed, since their ancestor was not Ash kenaz, but his brother. This makes little difference, as long as we recognize that at least 90% of world Jewry comes from this background and is of Togarmah rather than Israel."

From: http://www.scripturesforamerica.org/html2/jm0014a.htm


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More information on the Edomite Jews. I'm betting most of those who have called me an anti-semite belong to this white skinned bloodline of a warrior people.

http://www.hebrewisraelites.org/edomandkhazars.htm


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Xexon you say – “Is that not worth avoiding?”

So you must have thought about what political policies, programmes and actions you think should be taken to achieve your aim?

What are they?

You see this is my point, you are very loud and shrill about the supposed threat, but seem incredibly reluctant to talk about your solutions.

Now you admit that you think things can be avoided, so it stands to reason that you must have some ideas on how it can be avoided.

And please don’t give us the guff about only wishing to educate, we’ve been through that and it doesn’t stand.

 

I disagree, Balbus. Education is exactly where it needs to begin.

The problem is it's the slowest of the options but its also the most stable in the longrun. When you can present additional information, you're going to allow for people to make more intelligent decisions rather than being dictacted to and told what to do by other people.

Nobody likes to be told what to do. But if you can help them to think for themselves, it will be their decisions that initiate change.

This is a two edged sword. If you only present one side of a story, you're going to lead people to that one sided conclusion. If you present the "other" side of the story, you at least give balance a fighting chance.

Thats what I attempt to do here.

If I present the "other" side of the story, its likely to make those who have known nothing but a one sided view, uncomfortable.

It's because it challenges the status quo. It challenges the comfort zone of those who like the status quo.

Those who come to Hipforums are hippy oriented to some degree. "Question Authority" is something that has never died in us.

I don't intend to start with this subject.

I LIKE questioning authority. And I encourage others to do likewise.

I trulely believe in power to the people.


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Xexon

So once again you’re refusing to answer the questions put to you.

Once again you refuse to actually explain your aims are and what things you’d like to have in place to achieve them.

You’re not being open or honest, why is that?

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As I’ve pointed out you’re not giving an alternative viewpoint because you don’t seem to actually believe in the conspiracy guff.

It’s like a creationist putting forward the Genesis myth as ‘the other side of the story’ except creationists probably believe in the story.

No it’s more like the neo-con’s and Saddam’s WMD, it was just lies to help achieve a hidden agenda.

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I believe very strongly in education and I believe thinking for one’s self is great, but both depend on an openness and honesty that seem sadly lacking in you.

You see if someone is lying to further a hidden agenda, which they refuse to discuss, they definitely seem intent on the spreading of confusions and ignorance and not enlightenment.


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Do you want me too advocate the overthrow of the government? Would this make you happy? They would lead me away in handcuffs here.

You're taking me out of context by what I write in the politcal forums. If you want to understand me, read the other 2300+ posts I've made in this forum. Start at the beginning. I'm not a bad person with some secret plot. You'll find I'm actually a very warm and kind hearted soul. I truley love ALL of humanity, and not just segments of it.

Education will bring the revolution, but at my age, I probably won't see it personally. I can only offer what I hope will happen.

The first course of action is to expose political zionism for what it is. A Jewish supremacist movement. Thats not anti-semitism to say so either.

At some point, zionism will run it's course in the world, loose steam, and be tossed in the dust bins of history along with the Romans, nazis and the rest of those who attempted to control the world.

Until it does, it's a danger to everybody, Jews included.



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xexon

Do you want me too advocate the overthrow of the government? Would this make you happy? They would lead me away in handcuffs here.

Many people who still post here have.

But my point is what would you want in its place?

How would you deal with the supposed conspiracy?

What kind of policies would you wish to pursue?

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You're taking me out of context by what I write in the politcal forums. If you want to understand me, read the other 2300+ posts I've made in this forum. Start at the beginning. I'm not a bad person with some secret plot. You'll find I'm actually a very warm and kind hearted soul. I truley love ALL of humanity, and not just segments of it.

LOL, so you’re just a big kitten, but so what, that doesn’t tell me what your political views or ideas are.

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Education will bring the revolution, but at my age, I probably won't see it personally. I can only offer what I hope will happen.

But what are you teaching, that lies and deceit are good things and that openness and honestly are to be shunned?

Not exactly a great start to a revolution is it?

The question still remains what, politically speaking, would you want?

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The first course of action is to expose political zionism for what it is. A Jewish supremacist movement. Thats not anti-semitism to say so either.

And what do you want, once this supposed conspiracy (that I’m still not convinced you actually believe in) is exposed?

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At some point, zionism will run it's course in the world, loose steam, and be tossed in the dust bins of history along with the Romans, nazis and the rest of those who attempted to control the world.

The Romans were conquered, the Nazis were overthrown, alliance were made, policies were pursued action taken.

Who do you ally with, what policies do you wish pursued and what action do you want taken?

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Until it does, it's a danger to everybody, Jews included


So what things would you want to do to counter the threat?

 

I want to see actual an democracy in the United States and not special interests representing itself as the will of the people. Thats what I want.

Our government has become totally worthless the way it is. It's a free thinking entity that does what it wants instead of what we want. It needs to be put a stop to. But you can't stop it until you make others aware there's a problem. We KNOW there's problem. Now we have to call out the players.

Zionism, is a Jewish supremacist movement intent on making the US the "New Jerusalem".

This has NOTHING to do with the religious one. This is the same old story of world domination based upon the notion that one group of people is superior over another. That could be race, religion, or political idealogy.

Jews are not even classified as a "race " by most experts. They follow a religion like Catholics or Rastafarians. They have some genetic commonality because of where they came from geographically, and thats all. Jews are not a race. And if they're not a race, there is no validity to any claims of me being a racist, is there?

http://judaism.about.com/od/abcsofjudaism/a/beingjewish.htm

http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm

Zionism's lifeblood is racial in nature. It sows the seeds of hatred with one hand and offers help with the other. It represents the same exact principles found in nazi Germany. The ties to zionism and their collaboration with nazi Germany is now coming out and will continue to do so thanks to people, anti-zionist Jews included, who are lending their effort to defeat this beast.

When we've removed the zionists, we'll go after the others.

The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-industrial_complex

Then the oil lobby.

Then the drug companies.

Then the insurance industry.

We have much work ahead of us, but once you unplug zionism, the other's have no protector.

So, Balbus, what I want is a pure democracy.

And it starts by driving a stake through the heart of zionism.



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What about Adam Gadahn, you claimed he was a (Jew) just because his grandfather was.

Not to mention your list of people with Hebrew names or your mentioning of half Jew and fully Jewish People.