Is Al Quaida is Jewish?

You don't do yourself any favours, by posting some of the things you do, and blaming certain individuals, just because of some connection to Israel, or just the fact they are Jewish..
Using your own wide brush, does not help at all.

 

I have not used a wide brush. To the contrary, I've used a scapel.

I've taken great pains at several stops in this thread to make myself clear that only radical zionists interest me. Not Jews as a whole. Not even zionists as a whole. Radical zionists only. The ones with a POLITICAL agenda.

Those who wish to paint me an anti-semite have used paint ball guns to do so in their drive by attacks. Attacks on the messenger rather than the message. These same people would throw a brick through my window if they had a chance.

After almost 40 years of doing this, I've developed a rather fireproof nature.

I hold no grudges against those who disagree with what I say. Their words are a product of ignorance of the way things have developed over the past 100 years in Washington. Most of their responses are a result of conditioning.

"Look! An anti-semite. Let's get him!"

Does this not also smack of the same kind of hatred I've been accused of?

Think on this.


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Al Qaeda is a marketing tool only, and now the Chinese are using it to destroy mosques that refuse to post Olympic posters.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080623/ts_nm/olympics_mosque_dc

Read the link fast because a lot of the links evaporate as fast as they report. Anyone seen anything on major media in the US?

 

Michael Bolton?

This is quite simply false, and that's what is so pathetic about you jew haters. You claim to be too smart for the media and out there doing your own research, braving all the flak you get for it. But that's just how you picture yourself. The reality is you are just another gullible fool repeating what you hear on anti semitic conspiracy websites. In one minute you could google the law of return and see it doesn't say that. One minute. But you don't have one minute for independent research, one minute for thought. You just repeat what the anti semitic conspiracy websites tell you to think.

That's why people like Xexon and you are shunned. You are ignorant and gullible, and you have been suckered into a hoax.

 

Shunning so the Jews do like the Amish? What type of Jew killed Rabin? Was he shunned?

 

Xexon

Sorry Xexon but you are not answering my questions, why?

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The rather predictable reply -

I'll issue the same challenge to you as the others, prove me wrong.

Is very obviously a dodge – remember I said – “what if everything you claim is true – what would you want done, what policies should be in place, what should people do?”

In other words what if your view was right, what course of action would you like taken?

And please don’t give us that brush off about ‘travelling’ away from what you see as a global conspiracy.

You must have thought about it, unless you are a complete moron, I mean any intelligent person sees a threat and tries and think up ways to counter it. I suppose running and hiding could be the only thought that came to your mind but it seems indicative of a certain rather pusillanimous frame of mind, or maybe you just haven’t the ability to get beyond such basic animal thinking.

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You believe in a vast conspiracy that has committed terrible deeds and wishes to bring in a terrible tyranny that you believe will kill millions. You also believe that you know who the perpetrators of this crime against humanity are; you believe they are Zionist Jews.

I can’t believe that your reaction to this is to do nothing (accept run away from a global conspiracy, I mean have you finished your spaceship yet?) what’s more not only are you going to do nothing, you seem to be telling others there is nothing that can be done. In fact you don’t seem to want them to do anything (accept run away to Alpha Centauri).

There is this imminent threat and you want people to do nothing in any way to try and stop it happening?

Is that in any way credible, if you actually did believe in this threat?

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I mean if you actually did believe in this threat, which you say is going to happen soon, wouldn’t you have run already, and if you are the kind of faint hearted individual that prefers to flee rather than fight, wouldn’t you be trying to keep low, off the radar, rather than advertising yourself world wide?

Again this doesn’t seem to make since if you actually did believe in this conspiracy.

So it would seem that there is a strong possibility that you don’t actually believe in the conspiracy, so what are you trying to do?

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So let’s look at what you have been promoting to see if there are any clues?

(A) You don’t seem to want people to take any political action.
(B) You are trying to scapegoat – that is blaming someone or some group for something to distract from the real source of the problem.
(C) Trying to make people suspicious or even hatful toward the chosen scapegoats (in this case Jews). Classic divide and rule.

So the question is who benefits from such tactics, well who’s benefited from similar tactics in the past – the established elite, the ruling classes, and of course the Nazis and Stalinists.

In other words it is used by the establishment to hold onto power or to stir up division in the hope of seizing power.

So is Xexon a stooge of the establishment or a member of an extremist power hungry faction?

Hard to say, but the fact that he’s trying to stop political action, I’d bet on him being a stooge of the right wing.

Of course he could just be a delusional fantasist with racist tendencies.

Now Xexon, prove me wrong, and just cutting and posting a load of guff from other sites won’t work, you need to explain why your actions don’t seem to fit in with the attitudes and believes you claim to hold.

If you can’t then people can only conclude you have something to hide.

 

Xexon

I've taken great pains at several stops in this thread to make myself clear that only radical zionists interest me. Not Jews as a whole. Not even zionists as a whole. Radical zionists only. The ones with a POLITICAL agenda.

You’re saying a ‘Jewish conspiracy’ is at fault for the worlds pains and they are trying (oh in fact it is inevitable they’re about) to kill millions, billions in a Nazi like tyranny.

But which Jews are part of the conspiracy and which not?

You say soothingly that it isn’t all Jews, but forceful that it is Jews, just radical Zionist Jews, but who says which Jews are parts of this group and who not? Can anyone tell a radical Zionist Jew from a cuddly nice Jew from just looking at them?

Then can you trust people that don’t even claim to be Jewish? For example another conspiracy pusher, Rat, has claimed that Hitler was a Jew, (bastard son of a Rothschild no less) and part of the ‘Zionist’ conspiracy.

So if Hitler can be put in the frame as a Jewish member of the conspiracy, just how safe is anyone?

Again the question is – what would you like to do?

Are you honestly expecting people to believe that you totally believe that this conspiracy of radical Zionist Jews exists and totally believe they want to control the world and kill millions, but you think, the best thing to do is NOTHING? Just stand back and let them get on with the slaughter because you can’t think of anything to do about it?

Again that just doesn’t seem credible, if in fact you actually do believe it, which seems to becoming more suspect.

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But let’s, for argument sake, say you actually do.

You seem to want to single out the conspiracy Jews, so how?

Who would decide which Jew is part of the conspiracy and who isn’t, who’s going to be the judge, is there going to be a jury, what will be the burden of evidence?

I mean a conspiracy by its very nature is hidden and members of it are not going to just blurt out – ‘oh yes, I’m a member of a conspiracy that’s planning to take over the world and kill millions of people’. So you can’t just take peoples word for it, so what then?

Are all Jews to be investigated, interrogated, or held without trial until investigations are completed?

How about internment, I mean Americans of Japanese descents were held during WWII.

Will they receive the protection’s other citizens have or are the dangers such that they will lose them?

Why don’t you seem to have any answers, are you just a racist that’s trying to raise suspicions and fears of Jews in general or do you have real concerns and real ideas on what is to be done and if so why don’t you seem able to explain them?

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Are you Jewish, Balbus?

Are you American?

Unless you're one or the other, your opinions here are purely conjecture. You too, attempt to paint me as a racist. To me that means you're either Jewish, a zionist yourself, a sympathizer, or somebody on the outside looking in.

You don't know what happened to the United States over the past several decades. You weren't here. All you have to go on is the media. "Their" media. You didn't always have the internet to look up things for yourself.

I've done nothing to the Jewish people. Nada.

There are many Jews who will tell you zionism is a disease upon Judaism. They will tell you Israel is a fake country too, built by the zionists. However when a white boy like me says it, you and others like you seem to delite in branding people like me with all manner of names. Why is this?

Why is the discussion of anything any Jewish automatically get stamped as racist or anti-semite? Hmmm?

I'll answer your questions when you answer mine.


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What? Xexon, you're insane. Because someone doesn't agree with you that the Jews are going to take over the world, they have to be Zionists?

 

Xexon

You are still not answering the questions.

What are you trying to hide?

I mean you seem completely unable to show you actually believe in this supposed conspiracy.

That most probably means you don’t and that your reasons for pushing them are different from the ones you so loudly claim.

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You don’t like being branded a racist

But since it has become very obvious that you don’t actually believe in all this conspiracy flimflam but are using it for other purposes, it has also become clear that one of those purposes seem to be racist.

As I’ve pointed out above (and which you suspiciously don’t address) your argument that you are targeting just the ‘conspiracy Jews’ doesn’t seem to stand up, not only do you not believe in the conspiracy but you also know that since it would be impossible to distinguish between a ‘conspiracy Jew’ and a regular Jew, what you are doing is trying to throw suspicion and presumably hatred on all Jews.

I’d like to think differently but your strange furtiveness when it comes to answering questions, can only lead people to the conclusion that one of your motivations is racist.

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Please prove me wrong, all you need to do is answer my questions.

 

Finnaz,

Young man, I'm going to cut you some slack because of your age. But I'm not going to let you get away without an education first.

There are two basic kinds of zionism.

1. The first is connected to Judaism as a part of the religion itself. It desires a homeland for Jews based upon common beliefs and lineage. Fine.

2. The second is the problem. Political zionism. It was born in 1896 with the publication of Der Judenstaat, a paper calling for the formation of a Jewish state, by whatever means possible.

This paper was written by one Theodor Herzl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl

It is the whole basis for what we know today as zionism. Political zionism. Radical zionism.

It hides behind the Jewish people and religion. It has become a parasitic growth on Judaism itself. It act as defender and spokesperson for world Jewry. It isn't. If anything, it's the main source of anti-semitism that exists in the world today.

Before zionism, Jews and Arabs lived together in Palestine in relative peace. It was a tribal society kind of society.

After zionism, and after white Jews from Europe came into the area by the 10's of thousands, there began a concentrated effort push the Arab population off the lands they had inhabited, for hundreds of years in some cases. Its been nothing but a bloodbath ever since.

This is exactly what happened to the American Indian. A large, technically superior force moves in, diplaces people off their lands, and forces them into their culture or kills them.

You want to support this?



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Balbus, I'll answer your questions when you've answered mine.

What is YOUR motivation in calling me names?

Are you Jewish ? It would at least explain to the audence your own take on this subject.

I've made it quite PLAIN that my concern is with zionsm, yet people like yourself go right back to the word "Jew" and dismiss everything else I've said.

Thats not MY problem.



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Xexon

Oh and yet more evasion, you really do have a lot of things you’d like kept hidden, don’t you?

And what is this obsession in wanting to know if I’m Jewish or not, you said earlier that a person’s race didn’t matter (or was that another of your lies) you said everyone is a human being, well, I’m a human being.

If people want to know my take on this subject, its simple, I think you are using knowingly fake conspiracy theory to push other agendas, such as racism.

That is why you are so very shy of questions that might shed some light on your true feelings and your true motives.

To repeat – “As I’ve pointed out above (and which you suspiciously don’t address) your argument that you are targeting just the ‘conspiracy Jews’ doesn’t seem to stand up, not only do you not believe in the conspiracy but you also know that since it would be impossible to distinguish between a ‘conspiracy Jew’ and a regular Jew, what you are doing is trying to throw suspicion and presumably hatred on all Jews.”

The question as I’ve asked before is why are you doing it, is it plain and simple racism or something more?

I think that would become a lot clearer if you would explain what you would want done.

So again – what would you want done to counter the supposed threat?

 

You've seen the resistance on this very thread to anything suggesting that Jews do bad things too. They seem to be held to a different standard. Not a one of my distractors here have admitted that Jews can be criminals too.

"DON'T say anything bad about the Jews. They'll come for you."

Yes they have.

Had I been discussing radical Islam instead of a radical branch of Judaism, you'd be right in their bashing Arabs along with the others. There is a demonization going on in the western media of anything Arabic or Islamic in nature. You're either of Jewish extraction yourself defending your kinfolk, or you're a common person who's been programmed to think in a certain fashion by the media.

The public have been conditioned to think that Israel and Jews are are somehow immune from any kind of fingerpointing. Responses on this thread is pretty clear evidence of how effective this has been.

What better place to hide a threat to the world, than within a people that enjoys this kind of protection now?

It NOT about Jews. I'm going to repeat this as many times as I have to.

It's about radical zionism. (I have equally harsh words for Christian zionists, so your charges of racism hardly have any substance)

Had I used the term "Hebrew" in place of the word "Jew", this thread would have dust on it by now.

But because some see this as a racial issue instead of a criminal one, we now have the huge numbers attached to this thread all in the name of a single word. "Jew".

This represents small mindedness. Which is the driving force behind racism. It's easily exploited by clever people.

Pick a keyword, like jooos, or niggers, or spics. You've tarnished a whole race. Because bigots can't tell one from the other anyway, right?

I can. I do. And I precisley target the troublemakers while leaving the rest of the race intact. That hardly qualifies me as racist.

How do we counter this threat? Per your request,

The best way is to educate the public about whats going on behind the scenes of their respective governments.

My attempts to do so here have had left me branded as a racist, an anti-semite, a biggot, etc. I've even had people wish I would die. Post #103

Do I need to hold up a mirror to who is really a racist?

So you understand the difficulties involved in what "I" would like and prefer to do. Educate. But what I'm up against is extremely powerful and deeply intrenched in the western world.

Thats why I say that there are things that have been put into motion by these people that can no longer be stopped. It has to be gone through. There isn't enough momentum of outside thought and opinions to save anybody in time.

People are living their lives like sleepwalkers. They pay attention to what is in front of them and little else. It sometimes takes war to wake people up. The season is right for one. I have no doubt it's approaching the world once again and nobody beats the wardrum louder than AIPAC, which is the subject of my next post

I'll explain who and what they are, their mission, and their people who have been caught spying for Israel.


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I've been entertaining the idea myself, good to see I'm not alone. I don't consider myself anti-semitic, nor a conspiracy nut, but that would explain a lot, like why our government has been focused on Iraq instead of catching Bin Laden.

Perhaps the only "conspiracy theory" is the idea that Al Quaida exists in the first place, as Gardiner points out.

However, assuming Al Quaida does exist, I'm not so sure the perpetrators of 911 weren't given a free pass, and that our government wasn't, or isn't, sympathetic to them. If so, Al Quaida could be Jewish. Israel is our ally after all.

 

AIPAC stands for American Israeli Public Affairs Committee.
"America's Pro Israel Lobby." http://www.aipac.org/

This is the most visible face of zionism in the United States. They're all over Washington DC. Thick. They work our representatives hard every single day. And the website is a constant drone about Iran this, Iran that. They're real fond of the word "illicit" too.

Nobody dare speak out against them for fear of being branded an "anti-semite". In the world of American politics, you get that brand, means you're done in public service. Finito. Finished.

"They" will make sure of it. Even if you're not guilty. The very fact that you question what they do will red flag you. You'll be swarmed by the generation of bad publicity to the point nobody will vote for you.

AIPAC pushes the interests on Israel upon our representatives in government. They make sure you understand.

AIPAC has always been under suspicion as a spy ring as well. A few years back , the following story broke confirming those suspicions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Franklin_espionage_scandal

Rather than go into a lengthly dialog over what I think of them, I'll allow you to make your own decisions.

I did a simple search at Google for AIPAC. Nothing racist. Nothing biased. All I entered was "AIPAC". 1.6 million hits. Read over them for a few pages. Draw your own conclusions.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=AIPAC&btnG=Google+Search





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Additional links implicating Israel in espionage against the United States.



http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0496/9604014.htm

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_61390.html

http://www.aci.net/kalliste/pollard_em.htm

Ya'll remember Mr. Pollard, don't you? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard


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*sigh*, I must admit, I was hoping you weren't going to sink to Rats level of condescension but meh.


Firstly, I know of the origins of Zionism, I am not a Zionist, I am an atheist and a secularist. I have no Jewish heritage either. I support Israel OVER Hamas, Hezbullah etc. By a bloody long shot would I prefer the current Zionist state over an Islamist one.

What I don't believe is that there is a Global Conspiracy of Jews (or anyone for that matter). I'm pointing out the hole in your logic that people have to be of one opinion or the other.

Just because I don't believe that the government is run by Maoists doesn't make me a Maoist. Because I don't believe the government is run by the Knights Templar doesn't make me a supporter of a modern day crusade. You're logic that because someone doesn't agree with your belief then they must hold politics opposite to yours is insane. Rat tries to pull it off as well with his shouts of either 'neo con' or 'collectivist' to anyone that disagrees with his conspiracy theory.

 

It's your opinion and I respect that.

My goal here is education, so you can make the best opinion you can make. Outside of the maze thats been built for you.

Anytime you find something of a "sensitive" nature, you can serve humanity the best by dragging it out in the open for all to see.

Never be afraid to ask "why"?

Watch people come out of the woodwork to see who's rocking the boat.



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here's my theory: hitler was actually jewish.

really, piss off you antisemite. that's the stupidest thing i've ever heard.