Iraq Pullout

I wasn't comparing the two wars.....you don't have to convince me that the war in Iraq is wrong, illegal and immoral. I was making a point about Rat, whatever, just disregard that. I was in no way defending the Iraq war, or even WW II.
You say you are against all war, yet you condone the insurgent's actions? I'm not saying I don't. I understand that they are defending their country, but I'm not trying to pass myself off as an ultra-pacifist, as you are.

Well, I don't think you have been listening all that well. He won't do all those things, but he will cut out corporations like Haliburton and he will show the Iraqis that we don't intend to have a lasting military presence there.

I'm really glad you wrote this, it explains a lot. I just can't take anyone with this opinion seriously. Your intentions are morally questionable. To wish for Bush to maintain his presidency only for the purpose of "keeping the left alert" is just reprehensible to me. What difference does it make if the left is aware of what's really going on if IT IS STILL GOING ON!? I don't get it. If voting for Kerry will save lives, even a small amount, I'm voting for him.
I know many of you want things to get so bad that the entirety of America rises up in rebellion, but think of the costs. I don't even think that will happen, things will never get that bad and if they do, it will be the work of global climate change and it will be too late. Far too late.
People like you will have a smile on your face if Bush is elected, thinking, "Ha! Americans deserve it! Maybe now people will wake up!". That is sick IMO.

 

Actually, I would prefer that Kerry win over Bush. I believe with Kerry in office, the Republicans would start to disapprove of the war. Add this to the Democrats -- many of whom are already against the war (I think) -- and you would have almost NO support for the war, and Kerry would have no choice other than to pull out.

The only reason the war in Iraq is even half-popular is because of Bush and his moronic, religious-right supporters. I guarantee that if Kerry was leading this war, the Republicans would change their tune quick.

 

Great point! I pretty much agree. I think it is painfully obvious to many republicans that the war is a disaster, but they want a Republican in office so they stifle their true feelings on the matter. They are probably proud, as democrats would be also (of their president), and they want to keep him in office. Kerry has no reason to keep our troops over there, I think popular opinion would definitely sway him. I don't know any people that consider themselves Democrats that are for the war. Kerry would be a hero if he pulled us out. People can only be in denial about Iraq for so long...I know Bush knows it is a catastrophe, he isn't going to say so before the election though.

 

Its interesting that someone like Willow that can't bring themselves to support the fight against Adolf Hitler can so easily sympathise with foreign terrorists who go to Iraq and kidnap aid workers. The point here is your only ideology is universal, all consuming hatred of the US. Anyone who tries to understand the incoherent justifications and rationalisations you come up with to back up this theory is a fool.

I read a great article a while back on "pure opposition" this is where the extreme left has gone now - unable to assemble any sort of meaningful ideology, they have simply decided to be opposed to the usual things but not really for anything at all - hence organisations like "Globalise Resistance", "Raise the fist", "ANSWER", etc. Better to say "I hope Bush gets elected so it will reveal how evil he is" because that way you are always safely in opposition, always taking a strong stand in favor of utopia but never having risk an actual, meaningful, realistic opinion on anything.

The Iraqi interim government has been recognised by the UN as the legitimate government of Iraq. We are there with their consent. So its not illegal, and as much as you support the right of Syrians to cross the border and attack Red Cross buildings with car bombs, you're just going to have to accept that, unless you are a... unilateralist?

 

Yes, we need to stay until 58,000 are dead.

We're already in drastically worse shape than we were in Vietnam in 1970. We're in drastically worse shape than we were before the war began. The only question is whether we're going to feed a whole generation of young people into the meatgrinder before we face that rather easily-made observation.

Of course, if you really thought it was worth your life, you'd be over there. But I guess if you wanna be a Bush supporter, you must embrace the notion of OTHERS dying for YOUR cause.

 

I am totally against this war but the biggest mistake we could make now would be to just pull all the troops out now

Of course. Others people are doing the bleeding, you're doing the cheering. Of COURSE you wouldn't want THAT to change.

 

I am also very very anti this war but just pulling everything out now and leaving them to deal with all the shit the armies have caused isn't the answer either. They need help rebuilding and things as we demolished their country the least we can do is help build it back up. I agree the fighting needs to stop but the humanitarian (sp) work needs to continue and unfortunately that includes the Army as they are the labour force for the task.

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I am not a Bush supporter by any means, and I won't be voting for him either, but this statement is absurd. I had relatives in Vietnam, and we lost more men in one day in Vietnam than all casualites put togethar in Iraq. Not only is that statement absurd, it's false and not factual.

 

Since when did the Czechs fight in Nam? lol.

Considering that US losses in vietnam totalled 58,000 (or thereabouts) and the war went on for more than a decade (of US combat engagement) your math is considerably off.

Nice attempt to downplay our aggression and devastation in Iraq though.

 

Guess what moron, my mom is not Czech, she is Native American and her brothers did.

 

Im sure uncle billy and uncle ted told you lots of war stories.

 

My opinion on it is that we need to contract out the reconstruction jobs, leave a few special ops people over there for police training, and keep some intel there.

 

I'm sure you'd be singing a different tune had you been a jew during the holocaust.

 

Even if W didn't win the election, we are where we are. Pulling out of Iraq isn't going to make the problems go away.

And I can just imagine the kind of hell we'd be in had Al Gore been elected. So if there was a miscount, then I thank the Lord, because it was all in His hands.

 

LOLOL, you always make me go into a fit of laughter, green_thumb. Your post suggests that you feel threatened by God's insight... like you think he might be making good points and it's too much for your feeble little left-wing mind to process. Thanks for the good laugh.

 

What insight was that? I have no problem with most of what he says, the particular post you've quoted was in reference to his repeated posting without saying anything except that Pressed Rat was right, and then he butted in and tried to speak for Pressed Rat when he is perfectly capable of speaking for himself. I simply wasn't talking to him, that was my point. And now you are sticking your nose in it....just drop it
I am not on the left btw, can you process that? Many Kerry supporters are not, Bush just has a lot of enemies. I'm about as liberal as you are Christian-i.e. not very.
And laugh for now, you'll likely be crying after Nov. 2nd.

 

Moonjava writes: "Your post suggests that you feel threatened by God's insight... like you think he might be making good points and it's too much for your feeble little left-wing mind to process."

Moonjava how dare you claim to speak for God. I suspect your "Christanity" is really just a cover for your regressive ideas.

 

I'm sure you can kiss my ass Lick, and just admit you were wrong, but hey, that happens often and you don't admit to it then either....so I should not hope for anything.

And by the way, I like how you go back and edit your post like that after I already responded. I was not downplaying anything, nice try though. I don't like the way Iraq is going. Furthermore, I never did really support going in there the way we did, moron, so stop lying.

 

Sorry, double.

 

They need help rebuilding and things as we demolished their country the least we can do is help build it back up.

How are we supposed to do that when troops cannot leave their bunkers except in heavily armored vehicles? Use APC's to push the broken debris into piles so they can make "nests" inside, or something?