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Nice Try Mr.Ree but my page one already compares this to any valid trial on the planet.
Of course you can 'question' any individual witness.
You actualy think a thinking jury member must throw out any witness because you pose a 'Question' about any individual testimony.
Well good luck with that.
Meanwhile, it was established up front that we are not even asking any individual witness to be 100% accurate.

"What colours were his eyes, Mrs Brown... after all you said you got a good look at his face didnt you... you do NOT have an answer then do you Mrs. Brown... so how could you have seen him??"

Ok, good cross-examination.
Meanwhile its still apparent to the jury that even if Mrs. Brown, Celsus, Clement and when put together do place the suspect at the scene.

Yes, Krestians existed.
Now you can go ahead and establish that evidence and defend it.

 

Your only capability is distortion, and that's the comfort of the deceitful.
Niot once is there any identification of any supposed jesus in any of your drivel. Just more of your eternal bullshit over and over. if you have evidence of jesus, by all means present it. but don't come up with gros imaginative crap that defies sanity and logic.
Your attempts to divert attention away from pathetic "join the dots" presumptive assumptions are further evidence of your deceitfulness when the truth is ~ neither you nor anyone has evidence of any jesus. You and your religion rely wholly upon unfounded unsupported unsustainable conjecture fuelled by gross stupidity, while ensconced in denialistic dissonance and selective avoidance of critiques and concerns

 

Ree.. I think its neat how you have been increasingly perfecting the 'how to' of a reply that 'Sounds like' you are 'thoroughl refuting' something.
You know how to 'say' the words that you think should be there, like: 'Fallacy', 'Presumptive' and now its even cuter because you appear to have discovered a Thesaurus or looked up phrases like 'ensconced in denialistic dissonance'

No real content.
Just more effective 'language' to make it appear more and more like some convincing 'rebuttal' just happened.

But yes.. Connect the Dots.
I would like people to Connect the Dots.
Actualy not just connect them but compare them against each other, triangulate the dots, hold the dots together as a big picture.
Yes, actually that is good.
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Anyways....

I wanted to add a few more examples of external evidence but since Mr.Ree is high and determined to derail the thread with his patented [This is how I would sound IF I was actually making a killer deconstruction].

(warning: some are bang on.. some are lame imo.. a few apply here heh)


History
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1. Any scholar who believes in a historical Jesus must be a theist. If they are an atheist, then they must secretly want to be a theist.
2. You insist that "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", then claim that Jesus never existed.</FONT>
3. You contend that no war in history has ever been created by non-belief. Yet, when you are told that 176 million people lost their lives in wars during the last century, created by non-believers like Stalin, Lenin, Mao and Hitler, to name only a few, you reply that those wars fought were fought in the name of ideology and not 'atheism' as atheists "…don't fly planes into buildings or start wars."</FONT>
4. You accept (and quote back to Christians) any number of works that say Jesus wasn't the Son of God and call them "honest", "thought-provoking" and 'scholarly" proof, even when they completely contradict each other and come to completely different conclusions.</FONT>
5. You think it's entirely possible for documents dated to the 10th century to have been forged in the 14th. (Used of Tacitus once.)</FONT>
6. You believe that when our forefathers are framing the Constitution, they're staunch deists, but when they're beating their slaves, they're Bible-believing Christians.
7. You think that the Declaration of Independence is unconstitutional because it mentions "the creator".
8. On, that basis, You think that the Declaration is therefore void and the United States should return to British rule.
9. When it is returned to British rule, you plan to go straight to London and tell those Brits that having the Anglican church as a state church violates the constitutional separation of church and state.
10. When you use a historical point to prove Christianity is false (i.e., pagan parallel to Christianity), history is objective truth. When a Christian uses real historical scholarship to prove you false, history was written by subjective men and therefore cannot be trusted.
11. You reject what Cornelius Tacitus wrote about Jesus, dismissing it as "too late", but you readily accept what he wrote about Tiberius and Augustus.
12. 100+ year old scholarship is good enough for you.
13. You think Bolshevik Revolution leader Leon Trotsky was a far better person than Mother Theresa.
14. You apparently think the first century AD was in the Stone Age, since you refer to Christianity as "Stone Age beliefs".</FONT>
15. When Christians tell you that The Bible is inerrant you go on and list a bunch of "contradictions"; when the Christian shows to you that those are not contradictions but the result of taking things out of context you list more "contradictions" when the Christian does the same with those you complain that he/she is just making stuff up and/or that the answer the Christian gives you are not "satisfactory" and proceed of course to list more "contradictions".
16. You like to complain about the wars and killings found in the Bible and like to claim that this is some sort of proof to conclude that it is not The Word of God. When the Christian points out that the Bible is about reality and that it exposes humanity and all what comes with it, you complain that it is nonsense and that no good God would allow for that to happen. You would then just claim that it is too perfect and not true.
17. You like to list contradictions to Christians like if you some how pretend that Christians are not aware of them or that they are igorant about their own religion.
18. You evidently think that slaughtering 6,000,000 Jews is no different from using sugar in your porridge,since whenever someone points out that Hitler's actions show him to VERY UN-Christian,you exclaim "No true Scotsman uses sugar in his porridge!"
    [*]You think historians Michael Grant and Robin Lane Fox are "religious nutcases" for believing Jesus existed.
    [*]You refuse to use the word "excruciating" because of its origins in describing the agonies of crucifixion. (ex crucis - "from the cross")
19. When a Christian tells you that in order to fully understand The Word of God you need to open up your heart and allow The Bible to speak to you and to read The Bible by placing confidence in God, you say that the Bible is just a book and that why you don't have to do the same with Harry Potter.</FONT>
20. You always refer to C.S. Lewis as "that traitor."
21. You desperately wish that Stalin and Mao hadn't been atheists.
22. You absolutely insist a Christian recognize your nonscholar as an expert (G. A. Wells) but refuse to recognize his legitimate scholar as expert (Colin Hemer).</FONT>
23. You not only spell "God" with a lower case "g," but you also add an "E" to "B.C.," and replace the word "Christ" with an "x." Yet, when asked to name the planets you have no problem with spouting out the appropriate list of Roman Gods. Heck, you'll even spell them with capital letters! Not only that, you can even spell and pronounce the name of the 800-mile-diameter Trans-Neptunian Object 'Quaoar', and are delighted that it comes from the creation mythology of the Tongva people (aka the San Gabrielino Native Americans).
24. In addition, you say that terms like "AD", "BC" and "christmas" (as opposed to "winter holiday season" ) are medieval, outdated, bigoted poison and must be eliminated at all costs from the world, yet the fact that our months and days are largely named after Roman, viking etc. figures (eg. Janus - January, Thor - Thursday) is a glowing testimony to the diverse and wonderful nature of human history</FONT>
25. You think that religious wars have killed more people than any other kind of war, even though the largest wars of the last 200 years (World War I and II, Civil War, etc.) had no discernable religious causes.
26. You think that the Spanish Inquisition killed millions (or at least hundreds of thousands), even though the population of all of Spain at the time of the Inquisition was only about five million, and the actual total killed numbers about 2000. When informed of this, you accuse the informer of belittling or being insensitive to the deaths of 2000 individuals.
27. You bring up the alleged 'horrors' of the Spanish Inquisition to show how evil the church is. When shown that the SI was not the horror that it was painted to be, you switch gears and ask if the believer notes this because they think people are justified to feel moral revulsion with the Spanish Inquisition as it is commonly understood.</FONT>
28. In a coffee table conversation you hear religion represented in a positive light. You immediately start preaching about the Inquisition and the Crusades to put things back on track. After all, "we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door".</FONT>
29. You believe that Christians burned down the Great Library of Alexandria. When you learn that this was impossible, you assert that it is obvious that Christians did burn a lot of ancient books. When you are shown that this too is false, you wait a while, then make the same claim again, hoping that the person who corrected you with the facts won't notice.
30. You desperately confer with other skeptics to try and refute the evidence that Hitler's Holocaust was evolution-inspired, because, darn it, you just GOTTA prove that Hitler was a Christian.
31. You're convinced, despite evidence to the contrary, that Christianity was responsible for the Jewish holocaust because, dang it, that just SEEMS like something Christians would do.
32. You believe that Hitler claiming to be a Christian is undeniable proof that he was a Christian, while George Washington only claimed to be a Christian in order to win the people's favor.
33. You adamantly refuse to recognise the historical fact that "scientific atheism" was both a foundational philosophical position and an actual policy of the Soviet Union from the time of Lenin on, responsible for untold persecution, torture, suffering, humiliation and death far in excess of the numbers of the "victims" of Christianity.
34. On the other hand you further show your ignorance of history by constantly repeating "whoppers" about the numbers of victims of Christian Inquisitions, crusades and witchhunts dredged up from various unscholarly hate sites and passed off as historical fact.
35. For example...you can claim with a poker face that 9 MILLION women were put to death as witches by Christian fanatics in pre-Enlightenment Europe.
36. You assert that the 300 Protestants put to death under the reign of "Bloody Mary" in 16th century England stand as absolute proof of the inherent evil of Christianity but the tens upon tens of millions killed by Marxist regimes under Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot in the 20th century have absolutely NOTHING to do with the profound atheism inherent in these regimes.
37. You really believe that the Enlightenment made people more enlightened.
38. You think that Robert Green Ingersoll and Joseph McCabe are two of the greatest philosophers of religion ever to have lived - certainly far superior to nobodies like Thomas Aquinas or Blaise Pascal.
39. Indeed you believe that McCabe is "One of the giants of not only English Atheism, but world Atheism". [which could be construed as a slight on the intellectual quality of atheism].
40. You adhere to a false and fictionalised version of history gained from watching Hollywood movies such as Inherit the Wind so that you can (for example) conclude: "the controversy over creation and evolution was settled way back in 1925, when Clarence Darrow eviscerated William Jennings Bryan in a country courtroom in Dayton, Tennessee."
41. You think that Pope Leo X may have really called Christ a fable, because it's "the type of thing he would say," but you deny that God could have said what the Bible attributes to Him because it is recorded by "anonymous" witnesses.</FONT>
42. You've never understood why merely uttering the phrase "Christian America" is not considered to be a declaration of treason against the "TRUE" United States of America.
43. You think there's more evidence for the existence of Wonder Woman than for Jesus.</FONT>
44. You complain about desecrating the Koran while holding a burning Bible.
    [*]You think religion is "the original war crime".
    [*]You think the Ku Klux Klan and the Christian Identity movement are representative of "mainstream" Christianity.
    [*]You think serial killer Dennis "BTK" Rader is a "model Christian" and Olympic Park/abortion clinic bomber Eric Rudolph is a "good Christian boy". Anyone who argues otherwise is committing the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.
    [*]You believe that "if it weren't for the U.S. Constitution, Christian leaders would be burning women at the stake."
45. You continually argue that Hitler was a "real Christian" even when he and his fellow Nazis were slaughtering millions of people (and you "conveniently" ignore the very obvious distinction between someone claiming to be a Christian and someone actually living as a Christian, and the fact that the Nuremberg prosecutors denounced Nazism as fanatically ANTI-Christian!), but you deny that the scientists who rejected Galileo's work were real scientists.
46. You insist that the historical data is too sparse to know anything about the ancient world, but you then proceed to tell us what 'actually happened' anyway.

 

is this any different than your approach? Smart ass comments, and when that doesnt work you attack the other poster.