"Inside LSD" on National Geographic Channel (Tues., Nov. 3 10pm)

PB Smith, I don't think you understand why I'm upset. Everybody already learned from the 60s that LSD can cause a psychedelic trip, either good or bad. So it upset me to see them hammer this point home. They didn't really tread any new ground on the subject, I would have like to see the whole program be more like the first bit on the cluster headaches, you know, actual scientific data. I would have liked them to do more comparing between LSD and other drugs as well, showing the harm (or lack thereof) of LSD in comparison to say alcohol or heroin. That would have been helpful in changing the opinions of people who are opposed to the drug. Although I'm sure nobody would be totally swayed by a Nat. Geo special.

Of course I'm not saying that they should be passing it out like crazy, that's just plain idiotic behavior, and I agree with you on that. It is absolutely incredible that they are even allowing LSD to be manufactured again (gotta get me some of that pure LSD lol). I just think of it as, if I were somebody, who never tried LSD and thought it was a hippy drug that was just bogus, National Geographic probably only reinforced that thought in the minds of those people. What the hell does showing "T Fairy" and "Burning Dan" out in the woods working on their flow have to do with scientific research on a drug with such high potential for positive results? Yeah it made a positive influence in their life, and people like me and you know that they aren't just "hippies" that want to eat drugs. But try to think of it as somebody who doesn't have a good opinion of the substance. I'm sure Burning Dan's advocacy of the drug didn't hit a nerve to make those people say "hey! LSD ain't so bad after all" it was probably the opposite.

They took a few steps in the right direction, but not enough to make me believe the show was a success.

 

It's a start in the right direction. Yeah talking to "flakes" isn't very conducive to changing the prevailing attitude I agree with you on that. I just wish there were a little more maturity and honesty on both sides.

 

Here here! There's just as many people on both sides giving the drug a bad name.

 

i want that gatoraid bottle that girl has in the begining an i want all of her gummies sweet tarts an animal crackers lol. i wish i could get some of the liquid or even a few gummies it sucks not haveing a steady flow shes a lucky lady

 

I saw that and the first thought that went through my mind, God damn thats fucking stupid!
Yeah lets put LSD on items that if found by some kid they would gobble up at least a few.
Fuckin stupid bitch was my reaction. Fuck keep your drugs out of reach of kids of course, but for sure don't put it on something you know for certain that a kid or any unsuspecting person would eat.
That is exactly the kind of dumbshit behavior that will keep LSD illegal.
Not only that but gummy anything isn't very absorbant so it really isn't a very good carrier medium.

Stick to blotter or some pill form.

That for sure wasn't LSD in the video. Only a moron would handle LSD that non-chalantly. The way she was handling it she would be so fucking fried by the time she was done it wouldn't be funny.

 

PB, you know some people trip every day for weeks on end right? The last time I went to a guy a little higher up in the chain to meet Lucy I walked in his apartment with my friend Freebasin' Gabe (Gabe had taken the number of this guy off his dealer's phone and arranged a meeting behind his dealers back). A sexy half naked girl about 20 years old (around my age at the time) opens the door, giggles, and says "dont mind me I'm trippin". We go into his room and it is covered with computer books and he is trippin too. He starts putting the cid into 10 vials(this was my big score back then) and spills a good amount on his fingers and then proceeds to lick his fingers like it was ambrosia. He said the LSD was straight off the plane (this was in Austin, TX). Some people take LARGE amounts of LSD...I don't think of them as stupid..just explorers in their own way.

 

Back in the day my friends and I used to buy crystals of pure acid.Both times we got 5000 hits from each crystal at 250 mics each.By the time we got them ripped into 100 hit blocks we would be tripping our asses off,probably should of worn gloves but wheres the fun in that.Just one of the many perks that come with large amounts.The guys that did the actual processing would also set aside some extra good ones that they told us to be careful with that would really take you places.I really miss those days although I stiil manage to take a few trips every year,just alot harder to find now that Im older

 

No they don't, the tolerance builds up too fast and it really becomes pointless after a few days. You need to take too much and the effects are just mediocre. I know from experience.

My main point and contention isn't really with her messy methods, but her choice of carrier medium.
In a climate as hostile towards drugs as we live in now, the last thing that is needed is headlines about some kid eating a handful of dosed gummy bears.
Do you not understand that if we who enjoy and utilize drugs like LSD and Marijuana want the laws to change then one of the things that also needs to change is the negative stereotypes surrounding them.

People make judgments based on first impressions and that is usually within the first seven seconds of meeting someone. Is it right, not really, but it's what happens. So in order to persuade someone in this battle to legalize some of these substances we who are in favor of it have to take advantage of that first impression.
Letting your freak flag fly isn't really conducive to changing the laws in this country.

If you want to debate or discuss these topics with people who are opposed to them then arm yourself with the facts about ongoing research, statistics about the dangers, and don't flat out deny any risks but understand them well enough to explain them and differentiate between the psychological risks and the physiological risks. Often those opposed will not make that differentiation. Do the risks outweigh the benefits.
Separate the issue of legality with the issue of harm.
Know the laws and how they came to be, it's not what most people think.

Sorry I kind of got on a tangent there, but this is an important issue today and I am passionate about it.
Back to the original topic. Putting LSD on candies that are going to look yummy to children is just plain shortsighted and irresponsible use. Just the type of thing that those opposed to LSD are looking for so they can raise the battle cry. There are enough hurdles to get over as it is, why create more.

Sometimes you have to make concessions and work within the system to achieve your goals.

 

I agree that doseing candies can be very dangerous if they fall into the wrong hands,and gummie bears are not the best vehicle for LSD.But that being said I have had doses put on smartys and things like chips and pretzles.I dont have any kids though and always kept them in safe places.I dont think its much different than a sugar cube.As long as the user is responcable I dont have much problem with it.But it really doesnt do much for our cause at the same time to do that on a tv show.Definitly gives more fodder to the propaganda about dosed candy,blotters with mickey mouse and so on.Evil drug dealers lurking in school yards trying to get young kids hooked.

 

And nobody trips on LSD for days and weeks after a day or to you build a tolerance to it and you will not get any higher after 3 days you wont even feel anything.

 

I get LSD on sweet tarts and sugar cubes..wouldn't a child like to eat those? I think you might just be a little pissed they showed some girl who came off as a burnout rather than an Alan Watts type character. I thought it was honest though...I know a girl sort of like that and she actually got married and has a kid and is doing alright. Remember she said her customer requested the gummy medium..there are no kids at her place..and no evidence of her customers having kids....so how do the kids get to eat the LSD laced gummy?

Also - if I were watching this and had never done LSD I think I would be interested. There illustration of the LSD state made it seem enticing. I think people that are afraid of the world and themselves (religious people) will be turned off because they are scared of the unknown. Adventurers will be drawn to it.

 

Okay, lets say they take it every 3 or 4 days rather than everyday. Not in the LSD state for weeks, but definitely tripped out for weeks. I have friends who took it every weekend for years. That is not a permatrip but dosing every 3 or 4 days seems like you would be tripped out for weeks.

 

If you take a few days in between doses you will get off however its not the same as it would be if you did it say once a month or something.The intencety will not be there(sorry about spelling)it just becomes kind of bland.

 

You obviously just don't understand what I was saying.
I thought I was pretty clear about my position, why do you think it is other than what I stated?
I was using her specific action to illustrate what is some of the general problems in this debate.
As long as people who use these substances do things recklessly and look and talk like stoners, then the stereotype holds true and we will never see a change in public opinion and the laws or status of these substances.

How do you know there are no kids that could get a hold of them?
Dude don't try to defend something so indefensible.
I have always thought that putting LSD on things like candys and cookies was fucking stupid for the exact reasons I stated.
Eventually some poor little three year old somewhere is going to find mommy or daddy's stash of gummy's and teddy grahams and end up in the hospital.
How do I know some kid is going to eat laced gummies? Because I know kids.

What in the world does you knowing someone like her who got married and had a kid have to do with the issue of how these drugs and the users are portrayed?

Quite thinking in terms of your own personal lifestyle and see the bigger picture.
I'm sorry but you completely missed the ball on this one. Incomplete pass!

 

And that is exactly the type of behavior and immature ABUSE of these drugs that helps keep them illegal.
Wake up! You are arguing from a point which has no sound validity or support.

 

Yes the days of the freaking out the establishment are long gone,we have to try to present this in a different way if it will ever be taken seriously.

 

:cheers2:
Finally somebody who gets it!

 

YES that show was sick. how bout the lady in the beginning with the bottle full of acid just dosing candies! i want to find her lol. nat geo really did an awesome job, the weed one was cool too. the meth one was great too. all programs were full of correct info, good work by natgeo

 

instead of being a downer about the bromo--im totally glad that research is being done again---Cary Grant took 50-60 legal trips how cool was that---drugs and kids dont mix period--i dropped 50 hits of some tiny purple microdot--in my bros room--in the carpet--and i could only find about ten of them---this is at gramas and gramps house---and had to have a familly meeting that my crawly kid--not even a toddler--could never -never go in that room ever-----fucking got nightmares that my kid would be crawling and put one of those dots in her mouth---even had to come clean that i dropped some drugs and they were lost in the carpet--never got over it till they moved---

 

lol..I do understand what you are saying....and I addressed it pointedly. Just because it is candy does not mean adults can't have candy.....kids are not supposed to eat candy anyway! Candy is bad for kids...if I have a kid I assure you they will not be looking for candy just like I'm not looking for cocaine. There is nothing wrong with putting LSD on sweet things..other than I would not recommend eating cookies or candy in general because it is unhealthy and the cause of LSD hangovers (it is the junk food..try a clean trip and you will feel fine the next day).
You don't get the big picture...the government is trying to subvert freedom all the time and I am not going to bend to their bullshit. So now you want to wait around 40 years so you can go through a mountain of red tape to get one hit of LSD.....no..that is not going to work and if you think going through the proper channels is going to net results you are wrong.

Also, who are you to say who is abusing LSD? You know people abuse LEGAL drugs too right? The media could get ahold of a stoner even if there was only 1 left in the world..they can paint whatever picture they want.

Your argument about kids getting ahold of LSD laced candy is weak. You know kids...so that is how they are going to sneak into a strangers stash box and eat their candy...which is of course hidden. That makes little sense. I would refer you to Bill Maher: "some things are for children, and some things are for adults" ..because some bad parent is giving there kids candy I am suppose to stop using candy as LSD medium. No, I think not.

Oh, and my point about the girl was that the show was being honest in its portrayal. So the girl has some problems...I am still glad she is around to help spread the LSD...not going to depend on Uncle Sam to help me out with LSD.