IMPORTANT - Don't go into London today if you don't have to

no offence jonny but thats a bit of a silly comment
you cant generalise what every muslim wants...and what exactly do you mean by integrated? into what?

 

First up, excellent, excelllent words, Smartie. Couldn't agree more. At the moment, I'm having a hard time working out who's pissing me off more. Frankly, there's a ton of people on this thread (and I don't just mean the usual culprits) who're doing an excellent job of illustrating exactly why there's no fucking hope for the human race. I've read some ignorant shite on these forums over the last couple of years, but the turgid horse shit being talked right here right now takes some fucking beating.

On the one hand, you've got the racist/anti-Islamists like j2m. I note his was the first post to try and politicise this thread with a smart-ass comment rather than saving it for a more suitable time. I'm getting pretty bored of the 'nothing justifies terrorism' argument. Of course it fucking doesn't. But that doesn't mean that the west doesn't foster and encourage it through their actions. Burying your head in the sand and hoisting the flag is never the answer. Using events such as this to stir up anti-Islamic hatred is only marginally less disgusting than killing innocent people.

On the other hand, you have the conspiracy theorists - as though there's even been sufficient time or evidence to construct a conspiracy to begin with. I mean fof fuck's sake, people! There's a fuck load of Islamic extremists whose stated intent it is to commit mass slaughter on the British mainland! Are you so fucking off the planet that you need to look beyond the obvious and construct a paranoid fantasy out of thin air??? Stop taking the drugs. Really. ID cards? You think Blair NEEDS further reason to push this through?!? Most of the British muppets think it's a good idea already! Aid for Africa and not enough being done? Newsflash. Most people don't CARE. It'd be yesterdays news by Monday. You seriously think Blair needs to go blowing up Londoners in order to pursue his agenda? Get real. This is the most idiotic, paranoid shite I've ever heard!!!!

And then - and I'm ashamed to say I've joined thier ranks - you have the general mass of people using this thread to make various political points at a time when they're still scraping bits of people off the walls of the London underground. You're all - every fucking one of you - a disgrace. There's plenty of time and places for such discussions - and this thread wasn't either.

Honestly, looking at ill-informed, misguided and ignorant posts in this thread, I really wonder what humanity's managed to achieve since crawling out of the primordial swamp. At this rate, we're headed right back there.

 

Thank you for being the person to dictate just how long one must wait before talking about why this happened and what we should do about it. Not being God, myself, I appreciate yer input.

I read a lot of Euro-whining about how this is the fault of George Bush and Western involvement in the Gulf. Uh, sure. Perhaps. However, there's a lot to be said about the fact that there is a religion out there saying "go out and kill these people".

If I started a cult today whose commandment was "go and find people and tell them to believe as you do and if they don't kill them" I'd be buried in a deep dark hole.

 

Don't mention it

Try paying attention. You'll notice me saying that there's no excuse for killing innocents. Just to be clear on that point, extremists are to blame for these atrocities. That doesn't mean that the actions of the West somehow magically have no influence on events. Extremists thrive in particular political climates. If we encourage such climates, then it follows that we encourage extremism. It's not really that complicated.

Uhh... yeah, and I don't think you'll find anyone here with any sympathy for Islamic extremism, so what's your point?

 

PS. I'm on holiday, so I can't be arsed posting any more. Will look forward to continuing this debate at some point in the future.

 

RE: Extremists thrive in particular political climates. If we encourage such climates, then it follows that we encourage extremism. It's not really that complicated.

Er, it's not extremism. It's the religion. Even the "moderates" are silent on the notion of killings.

 

how dare you call us all a fucking disgrace, how fucking dare you. where do you live, glastonbury? for fucks sake.

of course people are gonna talk about whats happened, whether their opinions are right or wrong, this is their city, these are our friends and family in the middle of it, we are the ones who are now scared just to step on a bus to go to work or go about our lives. maybe i'm over reacting but people are just trying to make sense of what has happened. right or wrong its not whats being said but the fact that people just wanna talk. well i can't speak for everyone but thats what it is for me anyway. so don't fucking judge me and call me a disgrace for talking about what has happened.

please excuse the french.

 

So when the IRA was bombing London the catholic religion was silent about their real intent?

A few choice quotes from the bible:

Genesis 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people

Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Exodus 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death:

Exodus 34:13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Jeramiah 12:17 But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.

Psalm 144:1 Blessed be the LORD my strength which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:

Psalms 140:10 Let burning coals fall upon them: let them be cast into the fire; into deep pits, that they rise not up again.

Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

Obadiah 1:9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.

Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

So there you have it ... I suggest you stop being an arse.

 

nice one paul.. i knew if i waited long enough some1 else would do the research...



...thats how i got thru uni too

 

I've been around London all day today;- it's business as usual -but not of course for the nearly 60 people who are dead & the many hundreds injured.

I can't get into the deep philosophical side of this thread.The task now for Londoners is that we catch these bombers..........& the Met Police/M.I.5 & M.I.6 will ensure that we will - be under no illusion of that.

 

Paul: And if someone in the Western World kills a wayward son or a witch, do you think he gets off with it, or is he prosecuted?

Whereas in happy go lucky Islamic world, they damn well do stone women to death.

I would hold someone with a very literalist view of the OT with the same concern.

But the point of the matter is, most Christians believe the OT to be a matter of historical record, with those laws superceded by the sacrifice of Christ.

 

RE: So when the IRA was bombing London the catholic religion was silent about their real intent?

Show me where in the New Testament one is to wage war against unbelievers.

 

2 Thessalonians 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

 

Well i'm sure we're all glad you've had your political view heard, you.... *edit bag of beans (if everybody just got high )

Paul you are a legend mate, i knew it was in there somewhere, *edit irongoth is also a bag of beans , anyone reading his posts in this thread might see him as a threat to humanity so i'd quit the *edit ? if i were him.

 

Paul: This is Paul talking about God eventually taking vengeance.

This is NOT an instruction by Paul, God, or anyone else, to be an agent of said vengeance.

TRY AGAIN

Shall I show you some more verses in the Koran and Islamic tradition about killing unbelievers and deceiving them?

 

RE: i knew it was in there somewhere, it's a shame that irongoth is also a hypocrite and has carried on thinking that all Muslims are murderers,

Excuse me, where did I say this?

And since when does criticising an idea or belief constitute racism?

The day I start judging people based on skin color, I'll accept that label, but until then, shut your pie hole.

 

now fuck off.

 

If mad mullah isnt racist you're completely right. and i noticed that in your sig you have a black man hitting a white woman, whats that all about then?

so you're not attacking a culture based on the colour of their skin, whats worse is you're manipulating a whole religious belief used by people of many skin colours, and you're not just judging them, you're saying we should slay them just as it says in the bible, i wish you were just being racist mate, it wouldnt be as bad at a time like this. So much for respecting those lost lives, lets just blame and attack, it always sorts everything out doesn't it, shhhhhh.

 

He's an idiot ... one for the ignore list maybe?

 

I-tried-to-do-that-yesterday-but-couldnt-find-it...

have-they-got-rid-of-the-ignore-thing?