Im gonna stop heroin cold turkey....

Preaching would be downing him and telling him he's going to hell or that he's a bad person for using heroin.Cheshirecat, saying " I'm glad that at least you aren't putting him down for ever picking up the H" is a put down in and of itself. Not all Christians are self-righteous,judgemental,wacko, right-wing fundamentalist nut cases like Pat Robertson or the guy that lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. in Washington D.C. If you had read any of my other posts or had met or known me in person like several folks(ie PeaceluvinhippieTaz,Personface,and MoonovertheMtn to name a few) on here have, you would know I'm nothing like those preachy,self righteous fundie types.

I've always believed that the physical,mental, and spiritual worlds,sides, planes or whatever ya want to call them are all interconnected and have an effect on each other. ie. I have read about Buddhist run opuim/heroin treatment centers in Asia that have a good sucess rate in helping addicts. ie. Several studies have shown that humor has a positive effect on the bady.



I know the spiritual world had the positive effect on the physical world of helping my full blown alcoholic older brother and me(a problem drinker ) gain the victory over alcohol.

Spiritual encouragement or help is not a solution in and of itself but is merely part of the greater whole.
Sometimes a few words of encouragement can make all the difference. Cheshirecat, I didn't jump all over you for your words of encouragement and advice nor did I put you down, so please show me the same respect.


I'm running up a white flag of truce before we get into an argument and am inviting everyone to join me in sending Psylence a great big cyber group hug.

Remember that life is a gift. Kudos to you Psylence for opening your gift.

 

It's interesting how often the vampires that pass for religious people in this country can't wait to exploit misery for the benefit of forwarding their own interpretation of religion.

RE: I've always believed that the physical,mental, and spiritual worlds,sides, planes or whatever ya want to call them are all interconnected and have an effect on each other. ie. I have read about Buddhist run opuim/heroin treatment centers in Asia that have a good sucess rate in helping addicts. ie. Several studies have shown that humor has a positive effect on the bady.

You know how the Thais do it?

They give them an emetic to drink and have them drink tons of water, vomiting over and over and over and over again until they completely collapse.

Then they take them to a place to lie down, chain them to posts, and leave em to contemplate the Long Dark Night of the Soul.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,3605,835254,00.html

 

I've always believed that the physical,mental, and spiritual worlds,sides, planes or whatever ya want to call them are all interconnected and have an effect on each other. ie. I have read about Buddhist run opuim/heroin treatment centers in Asia that have a good sucess rate in helping addicts. ie. Several studies have shown that humor has a positive effect on the bady.



I know the spiritual world had the positive effect on the physical world of helping my full blown alcoholic older brother and me(a problem drinker ) gain the victory over alcohol.

Spiritual encouragement or help is not a solution in and of itself but is merely part of the greater whole.
Sometimes a few words of encouragement can make all the difference. Cheshirecat, I didn't jump all over you for your words of encouragement and advice nor did I put you down, so please show me the same respect.


You are exactly right. All of these things,i.e. spiritual, physical, etc all play in together to help in any illlness,mental or physical. Andhumor has a HUGE amount of effect.
I was just trying to say that now, without his asking for some spiritual help, which they would ask you in the hospital, is not help RIGHT NOW. Later, as he grows stronger, it will be of use, whether it's opening his chakras or regualr psychotherapy, or New Testament prayer. But you are right about everything combined is a help in the long run.

Oh, IronGoth, I read the article, Ahhhh!! It sounds like a P.O.W. camp. But, if you read the article again,it says that the only time they are chained to a post is when they are a danger to themselves or others. I know, still sounds barbaric, but that isn't the normal course. Everthing else about it looks oddly unethical and UNSANITARY.
Cheshire Cat

 

go on psylence you can do it. And reward yourself each step of the way with a big fat joint. Itll get you off the nasty shit

 

congrats on day 3, or 4, i hope. this is something that you have to quit everyday for the rest of your life. but on the bright side, if you play your cards right, you only have to go throught the sickness once. focus on that. the sickness will dissapate after about 5 or 6 days, unless you go ahead and fuck up, then you have to go through it again. so which is worse, fighting the desire to do dope, or fighting the sickness time and time again.

 

I think we're all missing the point of boo boo's posts, he is just sending his best to psylence who is obviously going through a hell of a time in his life

 

Heroin addicts deserve it. Seems a whole lot more cost efficient than a detox center.

I'm not saying all heroin addicts are bad,b ut something that extreme seems to fit the problem.

Congrats to the OP on making it so far. Good luck.

 

Good to know that a 15-year-old kid can decide, based on what must be a huge amount of experience, who deserves to deal with a mind bending withdrawal while chained to a post. Kudos, sir, and a merry Christmas.

 

I've seen footage. It does work.

Unlike clinics here, where as soon as the withdrawal sets in they check emselves out.

 

Merry Christmas, and shut up. Seriously, you are three years older than me, and probably have more life experience too. This, however, does not give you the moral superiority you pretend to have. Basing your opinion solely on my age makes you a fool or someone who's insecure regarding their own knowledge. Que horrible, senor! By the way, neurotin is one of my new favorite drugs.

 

i gotta stand up for toketrip, he seems to have all his wiring intact. i gotta say myself, after bein a hippie for well over a decade, that anyone who even tries somethin like heroin, well is doomed from the beggining, but some folks can pull out of it, and go on to be happy without it. so thats what i root for everytime i hear of someone on dope. and ive lost many of kids to dope, and i still on a very real personal base run into it often, i get offered it often, i get kids tryin to sneak it in too, it aint no game, its a form of slavery.

 

Any word yet from Psylence? I hope he kicked it OK.

 

Good luck Psylence, let us know how you are. Even if your having trouble dont give up.

 

haha ok buddy, age means nothing? That could have been the most ignorant comment i've heard in a while. Even if some of the older people on here aren't the smartest in the world, they have one thing your childish ass doesn't have; experience. They've gone through alot more years then you have, and in a lot of situations, have been there, and done that so to speak. What the fuck do you know anyways, you're 14, people two times younger than you are smarter than you? Gee dude, that must say alot about you then huh? Probably why you posted such a dumbass comment like that. Im not too old myself, im only 18, but im old enough to know that i should be showing some sort of respect for those older than me with good advice and know what they're talking about. dumbfuck

 

Good job; you can't spell, nor make a complete sentence. I'm not much on personal attacks, but I really feel the need to respond.

Age, alone, does not matter. Experience does. While older people tend to have more experience, that isn't always the case. Also, older people tend to be more engrained (sp?) in their opinions.

You shouldn't respect someone based on age alone, just as you wouldn't respect someone based on race or sexual orientation, alone. They don't always know what they're talking about; for instance, George Bush. He often doesn't know what he's talking about, yet he's almost 60.

I respect the OP because he's decided to do one of the more difficult things in life; quit the king of the opiates. Him caring what I think is doubtful, and unlikely.

I'll go out on a limb here and say there's probably 14 year olds smarter than you or me.

 

I can't spell? ok.. i really don't see a spelling mistake in there but thats not the point. You're probably just another one of those smart ass little 15 year olds, which it seems to be after reading some of your posts in this thread, so i don't think you should be pointing the finger. All im saying is that younger people these days have no respect for older people it seems. Cheshire cat is trying to help and you have some 14 year old dumbfuck saying age has nothing to do with anything. Well it does, so quit trying to say it doesn't. Heroin addicts deserve it? yea seems like you really care after a dumb comment like that. Quit being a dumbass. I never said older people were smarter necesarrily, i said they have more experience if you actually read my post.