Illegal Immigration

We will still have a problem with border security that will need to be dealt with.

 

people bring up immigration to forget about what Bush is doing with War.

 

that was an intelligent, original, and well thought out response.

 

this is precisely the dilemma that irks me, a person of mexican descent, also. It's not fair to us as american taxpayers.
"Security" isn't the issue, that's an illusory motive; it's about equity of the tax burden.

 

what about a guest worker program where they get no social benefits(social security, healthcare, etc) until they've put into the system for a set amount of time...

 

No, not really, immigration has been one of the most heated topics in America since the 1830's, when the foreign devils were considered to be the Irish and Italians.

 

What do you think of Georgia's approach to controlling illegal immigration?


Illegal immigration bill revised, nears final approval


Atlanta Business Chronicle - 6:04 PM EST Mondayby Ryan MahoneyStaff Writer


Six state legislators huddled Monday morning in a conference committee to hash out the differences between House and Senate versions of a bill that would regulate illegal immigrants and their employers.

By Monday afternoon, Senate Bill 529 was headed toward final passage by both chambers -- at press time, the Senate had endorsed it by a vote of 39-16 -- minus a program that would have let the state labor department conduct spot checks for illegals at Georgia businesses with government contracts.

The program was added to the bill March 22 at the request of labor commissioner Michael Thurmond. The conference committee tossed it due to concerns of duplication with another provision requiring government contractors to sign up for a free federal program that electronically checks the legal status of new hires.

Also removed from SB 529: language that would have charged illegals a 5 percent fee for wire transfers to other countries, described by proponents as a way to make sure more of the money earned by the estimated 250,000 to 800,000 illegals in Georgia stays here.

Instead, employers would be required to withhold the standard 6 percent state income tax from wages paid to illegals as "independent contractors" via federal tax form 1099. The author of SB 529, state Sen. Chip Rogers (R-Woodstock), said he modeled the provision on the laws of other jurisdictions, particularly those in California, that have implemented such a requirement.

Rogers acknowledged that the new language -- as well as another provision requiring employers to verify their workers' legal status in order to claim state income tax deductions on their salaries -- will not stop the hiring of day laborers, who often are paid in cash.

"It took 30 years to get here," Rogers said, "and we're not going to solve this overnight."

Joining Rogers on the conference committee were Senate Public Safety and Homeland Security Chairman Brian Kemp (R-Athens) and Senate Regulated Industries and Utilities Chairman Mitch Seabaugh (R-Sharpsburg), along with state Reps. Tom Graves (R-Ranger), John Lunsford (R-McDonough) and Greg Morris (D-Vidalia).

The committee left intact portions of the bill that would require people seeking to use certain public benefits to prove they are in Georgia legally; crack down on the "notarios" who help immigrants procure identification documents; and provide tough penalties for those convicted of human trafficking.

Members also added a section allowing state police officers to take advantage of free training in the enforcement of federal immigration laws from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

 

Nonsense:

http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200603140822.asp

There are plenty of Americans willing to do hard work for decent wages. There's the rub, I guess:

http://www.oregonir.org/undermining_american_workers.htm

A better analogy would be the hordes of unassimilated Muslim immigrants that are "Balkanizing" Europe:

http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry200603280722.asp

We face a similar disaster in the US:

http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html

 

A question few people ask is,how does illegal immigration hurt Mexico?

I've heard it said that the best way to reduce illegal immigration from Mexico is for the Mexican gov't to make reforms that will improve the economy so that fewer people will see the need to leave.

The problem is that with illegal immigration,it's easier for the Mexican gov't to just let it's poor citizens cross the border rather than go through the trouble of actually fixing it's economy. If there is some merit to this view then I think these recent proposals for cracking down on illegal immigration may cause the Mexican gov't to take seriously economic reforms to help reduce poverty there when they realize it won't be as easy as before for it's poorer citizens to just come to the U.S.

 

wait, i'm confused. That bill says employers have to withold the state income tax...but isn't it illegal to employ illegal immigrants? How does that work?

 

I wish I could protest this in Canada... somehow...

 

Very good point, though it should be noted that the Mexican people must demand the necessary reforms. Unfortunately, the entire culture (rich and poor) is steeped in corruption, graft, and nepotism. There is almost no merit/incentive system based on achievement. Advancement depends almost entirely on bribery and having the right connections. Until this changes, the economy will never improve.

 

I guess we'll have to wait for this bill to be put in practice in Georgia and see what adjustments they will need to make afterwards. Also, that article was probably explaining things in a general way and not giving too many other details.

 

So you refer to large numbers of immigrants and "hordes"? That says a lot right there.

 

Illegal immigration helps Mexico. Both the US and Mexico are benefitting from illegal immigration.


And there is no "fix" for the Mexican economy. It will take decades of rapid growth to catch up. There is even evidence that a growing economy only encourages illegal immigration, because people have more money to finance trips to the US. Making trips to the US is like an investment with an expected positive return.

This is just like the drug war - willing buyers and willing sellers, with a pointless law enforcement effort harassing everyone involved.

 

INDEED.

 

we are helped in the short term.

The question is how we'll be impacted in the long term.

 

The long term? When in the history of the United States were there no illegal immigrants?

 

when in US history was there a significant group of people so adverse to becoming american?


They are waving mexican flags at the protest rallies! Atleast fake it and pretend to wave american flags.

 

You conveniently left out the words "unassimilated" and "illegal."