Illegal Immigrants

they crossed an imaginary line

 

Fuck Amerika, it sucks! The god damn United States is an evil fucking empire that oughtta be destroyed. Some of the ppl that live there are pretty cool though, and I'm all about their local autonomy. Government, heirarchy, and authoritarianism can fuck right the hell off.

 

Wow, anger issues.

 

i may not live in cali but i did when i was around 6, they have all this violence and everything is in spanish... you even in some places, are required to learn spanish so they dont have to!!!!

 

dude, thats harsh

 

You're absolutely right, but America wouldn't be what it is today if it didn't have help. You can't control the world if the world refuses to be controlled. Maybe you should add complacency and ignorance to that list of yours. Do you have any suggestions for making America better? If not, then you're like the people who bitch about the president, but who refused to vote.

 

Leave?

 

All's I know for fact, is that in many of the smaller villages and towns in mexico, do not keep birth records. That makes it kinda hard for a person to enter The US in a legal way. My solution would be to try and improve education.

 

Ok so now the government really has the people behind them when they now say - oh we thought you wanted the borders closed but if you believe its ok for them to be here legally well fair enough thats 2 birds with one stone -cheap labour for our businesses, and the support of the people. Ok the people have spoken open the borders wide all we have to do - make a law saying everyone welcome - come in - no passport required.
Ergo - legal immigration on the same scalle as illegal immigration. No point arguing - theyre in your country and flooding in day by day so why not open the borders - whats the hassle ?
If you urge your government to pass a law saying w like legal immigration so let them all in thats the best answer. As you say you agree with legal immigration. Well you are very noble to sympathise with the plight of the illegal immigrants I must say. They are coming into your country anyway
so make a law saying its ok for them to come and you wont have to worry.


OOOOHHH !!! I seee now no really the implication of your argument is the very right wing view of lock the borders down - no more come through - well why didnt you just say

 

I remind you, or let you know, that once upon a time, California, Texas, New Mexico, belonged just to Mexico, then the US making war conquered this lands...so it'd be silly of you think those area are"too spanish or mexican"..'cause they are...

plus I think the point is: why do they fleet from their own country?? legal or illegal comes after. then you gotta know the american law:according to it, is it that easy to get in legally??

 

How so very true.

It amazes me that I can go onto a so called Hippie" forum and run into so much bigotry. I’m from Oakland California, and yes we do have many Mexican’s, but what I don’t like is the fact that it’s always assumed that they are illegal. My friend Nike is a Mexican-American, doesn’t speak a damn word of Spanish, and his family has been in this country for over 100 years, (longer then a lot of the same bigot families trying to send “Mexican’s” back to their country) but still in San Francisco he has been told to “go back to his country. And not to forget the so many who do come to this country legally.


I can admit I dated my ex girlfriend was an illegal, has probably a far greater education then most folks here, is going to Law school next semester at Oxford University, and I can assure you has no criminal record. She couldn’t get a student visa for past a year so she decided to stay illegally, but I bet if these same racist bigots met here they’d be quick to say how cool it was that she was from Ireland, and wouldn’t even question she was illegal.



I read somewhere were someone said many illegal were criminals, but I can assure you (except for illegally immigrating to this Anion) that is simply untrue. I’d like it if you can back that up with a few sources, because a while back 20/20 actually did a special on this topic, and stated that out of people the people caught trying to immigrate into this country the number of people who actually have criminal records is pretty low.



The honest truth is that in this great nation we live in if you are a white Angelo-Saxon, if you come from a country that just so happens to speak English then you will be welcomed with open arms, but if you even so much as look a little ethnic then you are viewed as a criminal. The honest truth is that many of these people are the wives, mothers, fathers, sons and daughters just looking for a better life. These are the Cab drivers, construction workers, cooks, janitors, and hotelkeepers. A lot of these people take jobs that we would gladly turn our nose up in the sky if we had the chance of working one of these jobs, but yet we still protest and claim they are robbing us of everything. I can honestly say that I’ve never had any problem with illegal any worse then legal American’s in this country so as long as they’re striving to do what any other honest hard working American Citizen is trying to do then I have no problem with them.

 

I have no problems with LEGAL immigration.

Other countries don't just tolerate people coming to their country all willy-nilly. Many European countries closed their borders to even legal immigration.

My problem is all these people coming here illegally, working, not paying taxes, and then sending the money back to their actual home country. That's flat out shitty and not allowed. Imagine if I snuck into England, worked under the table, kept a TV without paying for the liscence, and sent back 90% of the money I earned back to the US. I doubt many of the Britons on these forums would be too happy considering the amount of taxes and whatnot they or their parents have to pay.


The point is...is either you become a citizen and enjoy the benefits or you stay where you are. Period.


The Mexicans have proven in the past that they are pretty darn good at revolutions. Well they need to start one against their corrupt government rather than flooding our borders.

Also, have you heard all the whining from the Mexican president about the security on the US side of the border? He thinks we shouldn't be allowed to have fences or anything. I'm sorry, the last I checked...it's OUR side not theirs and we ought to have whatever we want over here and they need to just deal with it.

 

So what? Lousiana used to belong to France and the original 13 states used to belong to England.

Should we allow French people and British people to come here illegally AND then demand that we have everything translated into French and Welsh or Gaelic?

No.

If Mexicans want to come here legally or illegally, they need to learn English and learn how to function in an English-speaking country.

I live in Northeast Ohio and our immigration-assimilation problem is with Russians. The keep coming here in waves and not all are legal, they not only refuse to learn english but they are currently demanding that the stores in our area have all the items in both English and Russian. Some are even going after the schools now too.

Ugh.

Why bother moving to another country if you don't actually want to be a part of that country? If I moved to France, I'd atleast learn French.

 

Let's face it: most of the right wing who are shouting about illegal immigrants don't want any more hispanic immigrants in the US at all, legal or illegal. My gray haired retired neighbor who complains about immigrants can't tell by looking at them as she passes them in the grocery store if they are legal or not. She just knows they bother her because they look different and speak different. The only jobs they do in our area are seasonal labor, and if the redneck farmers could find some good old white boys to work the fields, they would. The hispanic workers here are not taking jobs from anyone. They are doing the left over rejected jobs.
The "illegal" descriptive just provides a means for the xenophobic to openly discriminate.

 

i realize that illegal immigrants are just trying to feed their families but i simply cannot support illegal immigration for the following reasons

1-they arent subject to us labor laws(minimum wage, social security, unemployment insurance, maximum hours etc.). this gives them an unfair advantage over americans and means theyre eaiser for employers to exploit

2-many dont learn english. we speak english in america dammit! i have no problem with people maintining part of their identity, speaking their former language and having their neighborhoods and whatnot but atleast be bilingual! why should the natve born have to adapt to new arrivals?

3-the way they protest. raising american flags upside down under mexican flags is a great way to encourage xenophobia. if i witnessed this i would probably flip them all off and yell "fuck you wetbacks!" im not racist at all but if when somebody does that especially SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BE ALLOWED TO BE HERE!! you'd better expect a racial slur to fly (again im not racist but that would really piss me off)

4-nobody talks about alternitave solutions. heres an idea, make it illegal to outsource to china and return those jobs to either the us or mexico. much less illegal immigration and the economy of a rising rival crippled. or maybe doing away with nafta or addressing the corruption of mexico's government. i also cant stand the people who think its all okay; corporate assholes who care for nothing but money and pc, ivory tower liberals who love illegal aliens because because theyre poor, non-white, and opposing the us government.

 

Amen.

Many immigrants coming into this country are canadian, and you don't hear people b!tching about that. I do however realize that the number of people coming into this country from Canada is far lesser then whats coming into America, but the fact is that goes on all the time.

A job where the rich can exploit Mexican immigrants is far from what I would call an unfair advantage. If they weren't exploiting them here they’d just outsource the job back to their own country where the rich American's could pay them even less, and who ever is complaining about not having a job would still be unemployed.



I'm sure a white man with a high school education and knew how to speak Basic English and drive would have a far greater advantage then a non-speaking immigrant in getting that job. I'm also sure that any average person who spoke English would have it far easier getting picked up by a truck to pick strawberries then a Mexican immigrant, they just don't try.



I've never driven past fields and noticed a bunch of white people jumping out of trucks to pick strawberries so I really don't see how immigrants are taking jobs away. Why don't these people bitching about immigrants taking their jobs try for once and try spending a day in the back breaking sun making $5 a hour?? Most of you wouldn't even consider doing that and therefore should shut up about immigrants taking their jobs.

 

You think it's easy for an educated white person to get a job??

Think again. I am going into the hospitality/lodging/tourism business. I'm in school to get my degree for it and I am trying to get a job at a hotel...any hotel...doing any job they can offer. I want and need the experience in the industry.

Guess what? I can't even get a job as a maid! Why? Because they'd rather give those jobs to immigrants(legal and otherwise) and usually Russian or Hispanic. If not those, then black women have that market cornered. Here I am willing to do a job that MOST OF YOU would probably sneer at. Cleaning toilets and changing sheets isn't very glamorous or exciting and it's certainly dirty work but I can't seem to get a job in it because I have a college(from my past college years) education, I'm white, and I'm a born-citizen. Ironically, it's a job I want to do! I want to learn how to be a maid in a hotel, it will help me learn how to run my own inn better. I want to learn how to bellhop and hostess and obviously the concierge/butler services.

Actually, at this point..I'd be willing to pick strawberries....but the owners of those farms don't want to pay a liveable wage therefore they will continue to exploit illegals.

Underground04 was right on the mark.

 

With an attitude like yours it's no wonder they won't hire you, and yes some jobs do look at the college educated as overqualified. Maybe you should consider moving out of Ohio where they actually have decent education required jobs. I'm guessing before you applied at a hotel to become a maid you first applied to a job making in the $45,000 plus range didn't you?? These same people going for jobs such as being a maid weren't in the competition with you when it came to applying for the 45,000+ a year jobs now where they?? Why didn't you take one of those jobs?? Or am I wrong and some uneducated Mexican took that job from you too??

And about the black woman, I'm guessing she wasn't from Africa, so why should you have any upper hand in getting a job over her anyway??

It’s not just education that gets you a job, but also such factors as the way you carry yourself, actual physical looks and appearances, and the way you sell yourself.

(Edit) Just realized you said you weren't done with school yet. Why don't you try to get a job threw people hiring threw the school??? Maybe you can't get a job as a maid due to the fact that with school you probably don't have enough time on your hands. I guarantee they’d much rather higher a full time immigrant then a part time college student who most likely wouldn't even stick around to work with them years from now.

But then again, we weren't even talking about legals now where we??

 

Are you always this presumptuous?

What makes you think I'm remotely close, in person, to how I am on a forum? Are you the exact same way? Probably not.

I actually have 7 years experience in the restaurant industry, both front and back of the house. I have excellent people skills and I love the industry...which is why I'm going career in the hospitality business.

When I apply for these jobs I do not list salary requirements but thanks for assuming so. I am fully aware that the average maid or bellhop position only pays about $7 an hour. That's half of what I made as a manager for Walgreens and I am more than happy to accept such a paycut because it's what I want to do.

As for time to work...I have 2 kids too. I go to school and raise 2 daughters. I'm willing to work full time and other crazy hours. Why? because in the end, it will pay off and my kids will have a more secure future. I have been a single mother for 2 years and have never had an issue balancing what I do until I chose to pursue a job in my intended career setting.

But again, thanks for assuming everything that you did.

Until you decide to wake up and enter the real adult world, you can kindly get bent.

 

Even the terminology "illegal", in my opinion, is just used to incite hate.


If people are willing to work, they will find a job. If you narrow your sights to just one job field, then you are not all that willing to work, are you?

People who will do the leftover- nobody-else-will-do-the-job just happen to be people who are willing to do what nobody else wants to do. They don't seem to be competing for jobs from what I can see.