if you were getting drafted

Hahahaha...

soaring... teepees in Canadian winter sounds hella cold. My stepdad still owns his acreage though what a moneypit, poor guy.

 

Canadian escape... that would be my option

 

I'll go to my family in Guatemala or El Salvador and then from there fly to Hamburg

 

Lets see, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".

A friend, a polaroid camera, maybe a little wiskey and the draft is no problem.

 

brilliant!!!
i knew a lesbian that got outta the navy by seducing the admirals daughter..lol

 

^^ Oh niiiiice, theres an F You to authority. Yeah i'm female and i'd hate to get pregnant at my age but if i was drafted i would, and i'd name it america with a little a.

 

Would you take the Underground Railroad?

 

Interesting thread.

So how much is your freedom worth to you. There are freedoms worth standing up for. Those are really clear if you just think a little. Like the freedom to say what you think, to live as you do.......the list is endless.

We are not only be stripped of those but may more on a daily basis, world wide.

I would get pregnant, I would join a regiment ........you all blow.

I don't agree with the present "political war" in the least but all or your comments are interesting.

I would defend anyone's freedoms being even a woman, as in Canada we are able to join and fight right along with the jocks.

I question what is the war about, not if I should dodge or fight.

Where does it come into play that we just say that these are wars that should not be.

They are not to the betterment of man, the are to men.

Would I take up arms to fight for what I think is right, yes without a hesitation, but on my soul not others.

 

I'm undraftable.

Ironic. I'd join if there was a fight for something I belived in going on.

 

I don't blow I just have a different view on being a woman than most. I don't expect the same freedom as men and I sure as shit don't have them so I don't think I should be expected nor would I want to fight like a man...especially since men are the war mongors.
I love good men and I respect and trust them enough to clean up the mess their ugly counterparts make.
My grandpa retired in the airforce and did an awesome job using his brains and his gender to serve this country, just as I would hope whoever I end up with would. But for me I do not think it is my place.
For women who feel empowered enough to feel like they are physically and mentally equal to men...more power to you and you have my admiration. I have typical female strengths and they don't include war, learning how to shoot a gun or watching people die-enemy or otherwise.

 

A different view on being a woman? Is that like waiting for some white knight to ride in an sweep me up. Not going to happen as he fell off the horse and broke his damn neck and is waiting for the Sally Ann to fix him up and air lift him out.

Why did your grandfather protect your rights? What the hell did he do it for?????

IF YOU HAD children and you and a gun, what is standing between them and you and those who would threaten them. You would not shoot?" Going to yell hey help as I can not do this ? Or would you hide behind you are a woman and wow you should not have to as some great big man is going to protect you?

WOW

So who the hang should protect you and yours, other than the generation that went before you.

Women's rights, check those at the door.

Some of the most prolific fighters were women standing up for what they believe is right, against what most think is right. They laid down their lives with honour for their causes.


Stick female rights are we are the most nasty bitches out there. Look at history, who was behind most of the plots, assassins.........well who was.

My father served in NAM and he also served in Korea........he took his release as he had not a stomach for the bull shit after that.

He served for me and mine and a lot of thanks he got for that from anyone.

If I believed in a cause that was not political, I am a marksman as there is not a female counter part, I have my own beliefs as to who are oppressed, would I bear arms, yes.

I would Icall a female rant as to why I am exempt based upon my gender, no. I do not have that right and still call myself a person.

I am not gender when something is just damn wrong.

 

I'd go...Fuck jail.

 

I guess it depended on what I was fighting for. If it was something I felt strongly about...I would fight for it...if it was something like what is going on now, there's no way in hell, I'd fight for this government. Because that's what this is about GOVERNMENT and BUROCRACY...not the PEOPLE.

If i got drafted right at this moment...I'd probably face time in jail....*shrugs*

If the draft was reinstated, I'd probaby assist people in draft dodging and get arrested anyway....

 

I fight for what I believe in. I don't have to fight for my gender because I am very secure with my femininity and admitting that there are a lot of things I cannot do. Why make my life more difficult trying to be strong and chop a guys balls off in the process? What's the point?

I don't fit in the feminist equality box perfectly? I make less money, I have less physical power, less testosterone...I am not the same as a man but ya know what? I am becoming one hell of a woman who has made a difference in this world by embracing my gender gifts and appreciatted the one's guys have.
But no, I am not meant to fight in a war, nor am I meant to pay for first dates, walk down the street in the middle of the night. It's a trade off, I accept it. it's who I am and I like it

 

Heat...

Why get so angry and defensive about someone that will not fight in a war? That seems like a very personal thing for people...some of us are pacifists that don't agree that war is the answer to things...

I know both men and women that are not fit to be soldiers in a US military sense...mentally AND physically.

I also didn't ask my grandfather to fight in a war (and none of us were born when our grandfathers fought in the war)...he did that on his own free will. Therefore asking questions like you proposed: "Why did your grandfather protect your rights? What the hell did he do it for?????" isn't a fair question.

Like most PEOPLE...not just women...we fight for what we believe in...and so should everyone else. Entering a war just because it's "supposed" to protect our rights is foolish...that's what they TELL you you're doing...even about the current war...and I just don't buy it.

Heat...would you fight in the current war if you were drafted?

 

DancerAnnie, I am not angry at all nor am I defensive on the topic. I am sorry if it came across that way.

I do agree with Lynsey in that men and women are not necessarily of the same strength physically. I also think that it is a personal choice as to what a person would do. While I don't agree with all that she said, I do understand and say that she has a right to say it and to feel how she does.

I, if drafted, would serve. Not because I necessarily agree with the battle but because I still would wish to live in the country I do.

I in no way support the current wars or the supposed reasons for them. I do think that those that serve though are putting their lives out there so that we as a collective are protected. Those that serve do so for those that do not. It does not matter if that is what they are told, as a soldier, they do what they are told to do. Just the way it works.

I am with you on this current global situation is a farce, but that does not change the danger for those who serve.

To ask then what did our grandfathers do it for is valid. Or would you feel that we would be better ruled by the likes of the Hitler's in the world? You are correct in that you did not ask them to serve, but I for one am glad that someone did.

Now a argument could be made that we are not that far from "Hitler" rule anyways but that is another argument.

 

The reference to WWII highlights the two functions of a draft:

1) It is a tool for organizing a national responce ("These guys fight..Those make bullets")

2) It is a method for compelling free people to become killers.

In WW II, the draft was mostly #1. (WWII C.O.'s are responsible for the modern non-punative approach to severe mental health care.)

In Vietnam, it was #2.

Since the recruitment goals aren't being met and minimum requirements are becoming minimumer, I think that any new draft would be #2. That suggests that our government is overusing our military.

 

perhaps but the collective you mention is an elitist view of the world. in order to be part of this collective you have to have been born here (lineage discrimination) have lots of money to move here and have immigration let you stay (financial discrimination) and come from a country/ have political views that we deem acceptable.

what about the collective of the world? wold you help kill 10 taliban fighters to make sure your fellow canadian soldier comes home alive? why is one life worth more than another simply because they are of the same creed? the number of soldiers we have over there forms a direct correlation to the number of deaths on the 'opposing' side, and that is just unacceptable.
im not going to disregard my moral standings to enforce anothers, when that same collective isnt willing to enforce mine.

 

For the last two decades our military has mostly been peace keeping, I honesty wish that it had stayed that way. Not through lack of funding or through partisan beliefs, I do think in my own heart that peace is the way to go. It has nothing do with lineage, it has to do with we all live here with the benefits of it and are we willing to say that is not worth standing for.

How can you sitting in your secure world then say you will not worry about it nor take part in the global or the countries stance and yet still reap the benefits? As we all do. We are secure as much as anyone can be. Do you and I reap the social benefits that are granted to us, yes. If our country was not what it is with thanks to those that went before us, then we would not have those benefits.

This does baffle me. I do not wish war on any country but I also do not wish anyone to come into my country and tell me what is right.

Moral standings are a stance that was fought for you to say by a generation long gone, what then is your or mine for the future generation to hold and to protect?

Funny thing with rights, as someone has fought that battle for us, what battle then do we own? Perhaps we own the real battle of a truth rather than I am just going to protect me. Perhaps we just need to see truth in us. Maybe that is justice or a level of the playing. Or do we kid ourselves that it is not our problem. I can not do that as too many have laid their lives down and made it our problem and ours to solve. I can not do that it is not mine to see......vision is a thing that is blessed. Those who fought and still do have a vision also of something that we all live here, basic freedom.

 

Id thank God that I'm too old to be drafted.

(I think anyways).....

But no, I would not go. No matter what.