If God Is Real

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  1. thefutureawaits

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    There is only one God, the true God, Jehovah

    Creator of everything

    To know God is to know Jesus and we are made in the likeness of them.
     
  2. AceK

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    how do you know this?
     
  3. thefutureawaits

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    A diligent study of the bible with jehovah witnesses
     
  4. thedope

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    Well there are in fact a plethora of gods. Gods as effigies,.(golden calf,) Gods in name. (godzilla) Gods in measure of devotion. (Woo jimmy page is a rock god...) god as a metaphor fore deluded or diseased thinking.

    What you say on it's face is not true in comparison to what can be seen.

    As far as one god from another perspective the literature goes let us make man in our own image
     
  5. thefutureawaits

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    One God, Jehovah. YHWH. Found over 6000 times in the bible
     
  6. Moonglow181

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    If humans are created in Gods image...I cannot say that speaks very highly of god.
     
  7. guerillabedlam

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    I was shown this video below and it speaks only in regards to Christianity but I think it makes a good point in remarking on part of Christianity's success and that has been the ability to appeal culturally.

    The first 25+ mins of this video represents all the commercialism involved in selling Christian products that copy the general popular culture trends at large. Perhaps the appeal of Christian culture individualizing products in such a way, happens to influence beliefs as well and accounts in part for the amorphous individualized conceptions of God and the more lenient interpretive quality of Christianity, many display today.

    There is not much discussion in the video until the last few minutes but there are some amusing Christian versions of pop culture products shown here. Also, I'll speak to a point you Writer, as well as Sam Harris have brought up, regarding religion being off limits in terms of criticizing... In the video, the speaker mentions that some of these companies refuse to file law suits for the Christian plagarist, in fear of losing Christian customers, seems in line with you spoke to earlier regarding religion being off limits.


    http://youtu.be/KNik8niSrrY
     
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    Love, joy, peace, patience,kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self control
     
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    Convinced through effective indoctrination.
    Jehovahs witness program is attractive to the disaffected or disappointed or simply the young or otherwise desperately impressionable. They lavish all kinds of attention on you and cultivate a bond based on a common monarch, satan the ruler of the world. Just see how genuinely interested in your well being they are after yourself having once been duped, when you cross them. Does the expression wolves in sheep's clothing mean anything to you?

    Consider your own material, when you pray with god go into your room and close the door and do so in secret with your father who knows you in secret.

    Additionally there is instruction in the following exchange,
    jesus asked
    who do men say the son of man is
    he was answered
    some say john the baptist, some others elljiah or one of the other prophets
    but jesus presses on
    but who do you say I am
    response from peter
    you are the christ
    rejoinder jesus
    you are blessed peter for no man has revealed this to you but my father in heaven.

    Additionally the promise of jesus is that if you keep his sayings he will send the holy spirit to you to teach you all things and to remind you of all that he has said to you. This aspect is not even considered by jehovahs witness considering their own printed version of the bible as sole source material for all measures of god.

    I haven't had that much opportunity to discuss things with witnesses in person but of those I've met in person seem to become very disoriented when I answer their questions or remark on what they have said.
     
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    Jehovah (/ɨˈhvə/ jə-hoh-və) is a Latinization of the Hebrew [SIZE=16.1000003814697px]יְהֹוָה[/SIZE], one vocalization of the Tetragrammaton [SIZE=16.1000003814697px]יהוה[/SIZE](YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible. This vocalization has been transliterated as "Yehowah",[1] while YHWH itself has been transliterated as "Yahweh".[2]
    [SIZE=16.1000003814697px]יְהֹוָה[/SIZE] appears 6,518 times in the traditional Masoretic Text, in addition to 305 instances of [SIZE=16.1000003814697px]יֱהֹוִה[/SIZE] (Jehovih).[3] The earliest available Latin text to use a vocalization similar to Jehovah dates from the 13th century.[4]
    Most scholars believe "Jehovah" to be a late (c. 1100 CE) hybrid form derived by combining the Latin letters JHVH with the vowels of Adonai, but there is some evidence that it may already have been in use in Late Antiquity (5th century).[5][6] The consensus among scholars is that the historical vocalization of the Tetragrammaton at the time of theredaction of the Torah (6th century BCE) is most likely Yahweh, however there is disagreement. The historical vocalization was lost because in Second Temple Judaism, during the 3rd to 2nd centuries BCE, the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton came to be avoided, being substituted with Adonai ("my Lord").
    "Jehovah" was popularized in the English-speaking world by William Tyndale and other pioneer English Protestant translators,[7] but is no longer used in mainstream English translations, with Lord or L[SIZE=11.6199998855591px]ORD[/SIZE] used instead, generally indicating that the corresponding Hebrew is Yahweh or YHWH
     
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    God: (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
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    I thought this definition was interesting because most people think of a ruler as a king or authority ruling over a land. The way to read it that allows you to apply it to any point of view concievable is the "ruler" you measure with. That is the "god" that you are. Like we think of rulers as another tool to go about our business with, we are measuring and exacting our influence on the world around us on behalf of our creator. You must remember all of this while also Never forgetting we are all one.
     
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    Similar to god is that which you invoke.
     
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    Similarities are all we have to go by.

    Maybe that is why the phrase "common sense" is so pupular.

    It is an appeal. A shrug. A "how am I supposed to know" from an authoratative standpoint.

    What is this "common sense" we have learned to just gleam over?

    It is arguing a position that is inferior if the word inferior ever meant anything to anyone.

    It is behaving like a rational being for fear that the whole entire game might all come tumbling down On top of you.


    hopefully one day we will create a machine that will learn all of our behaviors and expose them in a way that will make us all understand that we are still apes in the primative sense of the word. Perhaps forever. I am too primative to know for sure.
     
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    What is the same is the same and what is different is different and not the same.
    In this world we exist for and with each other serving as example to one another.
    We already have the perfect machine for expressing all human behaviors and that is the body. No one knows what the back of their own head looks like without an aid or guide
    Thankfully hope is wherever you place it and no one else has to trip over it there monkey brain.

    Primitive means first of the kind or in existence. If you mean too primitive as in at a preliterate stage of development then obviously you are kind of full of it. Our common senses are the five and the sense to make sense or the visionary sense. Our individual tastes are all over the place. Our fundamental requirements are all the same. Live let live. You are not too of anything or exceptional in any way. All exchanges of energy are equal...

    So here's to monkey butt
     
  16. Moonglow181

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    I think it is the other way around. Man created god in his image.
     
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    Jehovah witnesses are people from all walks of life that are completely convinced of the bible and, it's prophecies an that Jehovah is the true God and live their lives accordingly.
     
  18. xenxan

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    I would think "Omnimax" is not as "catchy" as"God" is which is why it would never work as an all around, compressed file for the word "God." "God" has been ingrained in our minds for thousands of years. Far too long to just change it.

    As I mentioned in my post, the word "God" is probably the most Abused word in our language, used to insight hatred, wars and profit. A place to turn to when you feel you have done wrong and can feel " vindicated" after a Sunday sermon or after a quick prayer for forgiveness or 7 hail marys' which ever your method. Yet no one realizes that we do all of that and we, ourselves, not any particular "god", have just changed our own thinking to a more positive note. We have forgiven our OWN selves.

    We are our own forgivers and our own deceivers. We judge ourselves and destroy ourselves. There is no one else higher, then INSIDE us all.
     
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  19. Moonglow181

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    xenxan, that is how I feel about it also.....I do not think anything is higher, so that also leaves that nothing is lower either.......This is where I see the danger in believing in something that is above people....as if that is true, opposite is also true.....and I do not think i am better than other life forms, either.....other life forms are just different in some ways....but not better or worse.....and i think that is true of all life anywhere in all of the universes.

    They could be more advanced in some ways...but that does not make them better.....just more advanced in some ways.
     
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    As I said effectively indoctrinated.
    The statement "jehovah is the true god" is a statement of fealty to a symbol. When you say convinced of the bible and it's prophecies you mean convinced of the interpretations of the organization.

    "Jehovah's Witnesses are directed by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, a group ofelders in Brooklyn, New York, which establishes all doctrines[6] based on its interpretations of the Bible"

    I notice not one mention of any type of actual relationship with god but a fealty to the organization and it's doctrines.

    "Many scholars propose that the name "YHWH" is a verb form derived from the biblical Hebrew triconsonantal root היה (h-y-h), which means "to be", "become", "come to pass". It has הוה (h-w-h) as a variant form, with a third person masculine y- prefix.[11][12][13] It is connected to the passage in Exodus 3:14 in which God gives his name as אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה (Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh), where the verb, translated most basically as "I am that I am", or "I shall be what I shall be", "I shall be what I am"[14] or "I will become what I choose to become",[9] " I Will Become whatsoever I please".[10] יהוה with the vocalization "Yahweh" could theoretically be a hif'il (causative) verb inflection of root HWH, with a meaning something like "he who causes to exist" or "who gives life" (the root idea of the word being "to breathe", and hence, "to live")[15][16] or "He causes to become".[9] As a qal (basic stem) verb inflection, it could mean "he who is, who exists".[12]"

    So jehovah is not a proper name but the latinization of hebrew letters, the tetragrammaton describes creative principle. Jesus suggested we call god father as per the lords prayer.

    JW does not even appear until the 1870's. The most profound effect of the organization I have seen on living individuals over time is the stifling of spirit. The living word of god becomes a repository of symbols and gods living spirit becomes a book. People you used to know start talking like idiots and trying to convince you that you are in jeopardy by virtue of apocalyptic forecasts. To which I say why worry for tomorrow, there is enough trouble in this day. And then there is this other satan is the ruler of the world nonsense. You cannot serve two masters. Bottom line is join us and we will protect you from the story we just convinced you of. It is a damned somber dim and shady deal. You can see the color of it in it's door to door evangelists. They could stand to wear some bright colors or even pastels.

    Another thing not mentioned in your proclamation of what JW is is that they consider themselves, and to the exclusion of others, (sectarian or scattering principle,) the anointed in number, the 144.000. Problem with that perspective is that at their peak there are approx 20 million of them world wide.
     

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