If God Is Real

sorry; asmo, i'mnot quoting because i'm too unfriendly :artist: but why is the notion of god frightening? I ask as a psycholyst (i don't take anal, but i might read more) . god is notionally in the bible. because the notion in the bible about morality, appeals to god. and as a matter of questioning the uphigh? i'm an apologetist...if you have any questions consult, or even better, i'll lay it down; there are a pantheon of gods, some rebelled, one got nominated, the rest are sidelined/ monofrompolyintwoeasysteps, problem, solution. the thing about god is, and this you're ignoring, is the solution is all around...please open your eyes before your computer tells you to dosomethingyouprobablywill :dizzy2:

 

I think my "possibilities" and your "answers" are the same thing.

Anything is a possibility
Anything is an answer

Because an answer is an interpretation.

And the interpretation of something inspirational is subject to whim. Ultimately, everything is personal. Because technically, you are everything.

This is not exactly a work in progress. It is a reoccurring theme I have read in several psychology books. Rather, it is something I have interpreted.

If ignorance is truly bliss, there is plenty of it to go around.

 

True you may think so, but no.

True

possibly

Depends on the question

 

Now that we have examined the nature of jupiterian swamp gas, lets get back to the task at hand.

"Is God real?"

I am going to give a political answer:

Everything is worth appreciating. It is not a yes, or a no, but a coarse of action. This is the path to your god.

 

why would a real god, have anything to do with christianity? or any other name brand flavor of belief for that matter?
just because a bunch of humans wrote a book that says so?
what does that have to do with any god?

 

Perhaps God understands that his participation makes the world a more interesting and mysterious place.

 

he is literally a "null" entity . . .there is literally nothing you can say about god . . . zero data . . . not exactly what i'd call interesting and mysterious. it seems all the OTHER stuff out there, you know the stuff were not calling "god" and assigning characteristics coincidently found in major religions . . . that other stuff is quite interesting and mysterious

 

That's no way to talk about yourself.

 

God is that which we invoke

 

No you don't get to discount communal correctness unchallenged in favor of name calling you politicizing weasel. That you discount honest communication makes you a dishonest broker.

No jupiterian swamp gas was examined. But since you bring it up I don't even think that the geographic/biological feature producing gas known as a swamp appears on jupiter. Politics is the practice and theory of influencing other people. It is not an effort at answering fundamental questions and it suits well those things that are only vaguely perceived. The blind lead the blind. The statement everything is worth appreciating is a value judgment, not a fundamental fact about the world. Everything appears in value to you precisely as you value it, in other words you give the world all the meaning it has for you. God is phenomenological. From there there are many factual things we can say about god. First and foremost god is an invocation as we cite or appeal to (someone or something) as an authority for an action or in support of an argument particularly in regarding the question is god real.

 

So God is that which we point to when we ask "Is God real?" ? Seems like a "deepity".

I'd agree with you. There seems to be quite the debate on the answer to this question though, a debate which you seem to side-step in favor of continuously pointing our that "god is that which we invoke". To me, that sounds like "god doesn't exist in the same sense that 90% of people who use the word mean (personal or impersonal creative force in the cosmos with a plan, a past, and deserving of worship".

heeh2, we can enclose the "god" social phenomenon into our own identities and beings (i AM god! Well, not the one in the old testament, and goodness me not the one in the quran, so actually not the same god that 4 billion people believe in, but something of that sort!) , or conversely we can also reject it outright as ill-founded and continue about our day, having demolished an illusion.

Either way we are left with the entire wonder and majesty of the universe.

 

210 replies of like the same set of stories, told in different variations...



Kinda like the bible ripping off ancient mythologies.

lulz.

 

I want to begin by reminding our readers—and myself—that exchanges like this aren’t necessarily pointless. Perhaps you need no encouragement on that front, but I’m afraid I do. In recent years, I have spent so much time debating scientists, philosophers, and other scholars that I’ve begun to doubt whether any smart person retains the ability to change his mind. This is one of the great scandals of intellectual life: The virtues of rational discourse are everywhere espoused, and yet witnessing someone relinquish a cherished opinion in real time is about as common as seeing a supernova explode overhead. The perpetual stalemate one encounters in public debates is annoying because it is so clearly the product of motivated reasoning, self-deception, and other failures of rationality—and yet we’ve grown to expect it on every topic, no matter how intelligent and well-intentioned the participants. I hope you and I don’t give our readers further cause for cynicism on this front.

-Sam Harris

 

What you consider a fundamental fact is also a value judgement.

1=1 is a value judgement.

 

"demolishing an illusion".

I am imagining a man attacking the air with a knife.

When someone asks him what he is doing he says "ATTACKING AN ILLUSION".

You can do anything with that illusion. choosing demolishion, to me, Reeks of extreme prejudice.

 

To invoke is to cite or appeal for authority. Don't know about a deepity but it is a definition that matches. If the shoe fits in this situation you shouldn't complain about style but walk around in it for a while. The reason i repeatedly say it is that of any other thing you can say about the subject this is not a matter of belief or subjective impressions. It is a truthful thing to say. It is the practical manifestation of the phenomena. Regardless whether god is or isn't in any particular form it is always invoked. Further to cite authority or choose with a guide is a fundamental aspect of human behavior. It is through the person that god is apprehended as obviously we can't measure it outside the mind. We can't measure god outside of man but we can measure man. I don't say god doesn't exist in the way people believe i say god exists in this observable way that transcends belief. Maybe that's why you say it sidesteps the argument. However from the point of man invoking god we have something to compare to now in asking if god is real. Does what you invoke appear.

I see that last phrase, deserving of worship, and having seen some things I would say that if you come in contact with those things you are inspired with awe which is a reaction way beyond the scale of things you value in terms of being worthy or not.

 

pfft...you can dispel illusion,

your welcome

 

whatever god is, whatever we say about it, is us saying it.

there's a big universe out there, with or without however many gods, however wise, well intended or powerful.

we flatter our collective selves about sparrows on our heads.

if god is real, why would it have anything to do, with the claims of any religion?

and if the claims of any religion are irrational and self contradictory,

why would this invalidate a god, who is unlikely to have anything to do with them anyway?

so if a god, would condemn anyone, for the honesty to admit, not knowing what is not known, would that be a god of good?

but if a god would not do this, and only people say that a god would, would that be a good people, to judge in that way?

 

Russell's Teapot.

 

Forgive them they know not what they do.