If a government department were tracking my internet habits...

My friend reckons he's got phone tapped by M lettuce I tomato 5 ( just read the bold bits together , not the vegetables _ I'm feelin paranoid ).

he just talks about heterosexual sex when they tap him - so they put the phone down.( and no he isnt a Muslim!)

I suppose u talk /websearch normally interspersed with a lot of garbage , they'll give up deciphering.
GOvernment people aren't the sharpest tools in the box...

But yes , they can find out *anything*....

 

Slightly interesting, but, again: What has this got to do with tracking peoples internet searches?

 

You can say MI5 they even have a website : http://www.mi5.gov.uk/
Lots of people do: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=mi5&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

Say no to drugs

 

i think thats even worse,that article implies they used carnivore to track his Email communications..

its just showing how extensive there abilities truly are and that they do pull things out on flags.

so you think they track Emails but not key word searches??

 

Odon
No *you* said MI5. : )
I was talking about a sandwich catering company

Actually phone taps etc are just plain annoying.
If someone is doing shit , they get round surveillance very easily...

 

"Track" is slightly disingenuos here.
They, I can see, used an email.
There is legislation for the use and retrieval of a persons email.
I know they store the RE: of emails but the body of the text is not stored (but can be retrieved with a warrant).

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/06/appeals_court_s.html

 

Oh, I see.
They don't have that franchise near me

 

There's a massive amount of info on internet habits.Which the ISP ( and their friends) get without official sanction.

Lots of public shit on credit card transactions /habits too..

 

you ever saw this odon?

Big Brother Big Business

its not so much on the government but it has a lot to say about data tracking and storage. and it does say all searches are stored in a data base. im sure that the government monitors those databases..

remember they were just caught mining ATT's entire network..

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060412-6585.html

http://www.securitypronews.com/insi...-49-20060410EFFHasEvidenceOfATTNSASpying.html

its foolish to think these are "targeted searches" and that a computer couldnt randomly flag your information for further investigation.. you can say what are the odds? but i dont think you can say its not happening..

well "you" can say its not happening,i forgot,its odon and the government is not admitting it,so it must not be true..

 

With out sanction?
Any evidence of this?
Thanks.

 

The suggestion here is that the CIA / FBI or whoever have nice shiny offices with large computers watching us on daily basis flaging up key words and such.
I don't believe that is true.
I can agree they can retrieve info from third parties and do monitor people they are investigating.

 

read the article on the ATT law suit.they DO have computers set up mining everything..
the lawuits still going on!
what the hell do you think the warrantless wiretapping bill is for?

so you dont believe they have task forces set up to filter through flagged accounts to see what they feel warrants further investigation?

its odon,what should i expect?

 

I expect salient points from you.
We, perhaps, are getting there.
As yet, a majority of what you have posted has had no relevance to what we are talking about here.
Go back and make sense of what you have posted in relation to the topic at hand.
There is non I can assure you.

Just to remind you, we are talking about pervasive monitoring of all our communication over the internet and the flaging of key words made by us all.

Stop clouding the issue with this stuf hhb.
It makes you look like you have a point but you don't.
Sorry.

 

no relevance? i would say what is being discussed is whether or not the government is doing key word data mining,then using a computer and some sort of algorithm to determine whether or not someone is a possible threat then said computer spits out the "highest threats" onto someones desk to be evaluated to see if the person warrants further investigation.

be it key word searches or forum posts or all the information combined(which is the most likely scenario),i am presenting evidence that these programs do exist therefore they are completely relevant..

at least to anyone but you.. the only clouds here are the ones in your mind preventing you from seeing things clearly..

 

just because the government denies it is happening doesnt mean there is not credible evidence suggesting otherwise,i feel the ATT lawsuit is a good example of that evidence.

i remind you that just a week after paulson said the banking system was in good shape the crash began..
news flash,the government lies...

 

more government data mining in the name of "terrorism" can be found through researching sar ..

its not just confined to the WWW.

 

if the government was tracking what I did on the computer..they would just read a bunch of mindless words that I write and read..nothing of substance, then they would move to Odon and make the BIG bust.

 

they wouldnt go after odon,,hes just doing what they pay him to do,,..

 

No you are not.
Your pointing out emails are used as evidence.
The security sevices can have access to emails etc.
All things I agree they have access to.

What you are not making the case for or providing evidence for is wholesale spying on us all using key words we tap into google... and the wholesale tracking of individuals.

I see things clearly, thanks.
A little too clearly.
I'm honest enough to admit when your case is made.
I don't see that yet.

 

A joke on your part perhaps, but an indication to disagree makes me some sort of gov' stooge.
Untrue.
I just want evidence over speculation.
Far to many things are based on speculation and rumour.