IF 9/11 was a proven hoax, what next???

If all of you arnichists had any balls, you would do what Fidel Castro did, get guns and head for the mountains and forests.

If I really-really-really belived such things, I would be unable to clock-in at work each day, or pay my rent, or renew my license. or remain in society.

But you arnichists dont really belive it either.
This is just some excuse to wade in Schadenfreude and cynicism.

You are unable to muster any positive feelings for our society so you just engage in blather.

 

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html

 

WARNING PEOPLE:

Do not click on the above link, it is a virus loader and will crash your browser.

Fortunately this a-hole didn't get past my AV protection but others may not be as fortunate.

Skip, please delete Austral's post and ban his IP. Thanks!

 

Divide and conquer....a winning stategy of combat...so yeah the spin doctors of DC are going to keep circulating numerous senarios in order to keep the masses divided....because with out numbers the "haves" are going to win out over the "have-nots"...the masses will never know the truth concerning 9/11 just like we will never know what really happened in Dallas....the hired scripters will continue to spin a web of deciet...in order to accommidate their agenda....just as America is attempting to "dumb-down" society...that is where people need to stand up and take notice of the bullshit wagon that rolls daily promoting a false sense of security.....the media in this country is the power wagon that controls what is believed and what is discredited...people open your eyes...uncle sam has been lying to us for years..and the public takes it as it comes and very few question the validity of the daily shit that pours forth into our homes....I do not trust our government at all....and getting people to stand up and dispute ...has become a mountain of a task...it really pisses me off that people just accept what the press tells them as gospel and go on with their menial little lives...not taking any notice to the fact our freedoms are being removed daily

I have seen "Loose Change"...and if you believe or not....it is worthy of making people ask questions and demand answers....I chose to believe it ..since I have seen our government in action first hand...I am a nam vet...and uncle sam is a lying piece of shit ..and drove solely out of greed and power at the expense of the people who are the backbone of this country yet they are now viewed as terrorist....since the "patriot act" makes us all terrorist since we speak out against the government

We will never know the truths...but as a free society ...we should never stop asking....and when the memorial for the WTC is erected...that will only be a standing symbol..that will endure time..validating the greatest lie ever bestowed upon a country's people.....maybe they should build an invisible memorial to 9/11 since the truth is no where to be found....an invisible monument would only be appropiate

I ain't asking people to believe one way or another...I am just pleading with people...to stand up and demand their government stand accountable for their actions...truthfully......but every American should watch "Loose Change" and view everything that comes out of DC with an eye of skepticism....cuz their track record has been proven to be based in lies and deceit is the driving force....in the name of the almighty dollar....Stand up and be heard...it is your duty to demand the truth...if we are to retain any semblence of a free society

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848

 

the truth is we don't know shit.


there are unimaginable scientifical discoveries,technologies and information that are a close guarded secret in the hands of some very powerful individuals.usually i'm not a conspiracy theorist,but think about it.almost absolute power makes individuals immune to religious or political or any sort of laws.all we could know is from the media,or from the inside.if such immensely powerfull individuals/groups exist,they and their secrets are immune to the media as well,and acceptance in the inner circle wouldn't come without some 100% sure method of keeping one in.there have always been secret societies,like the masonery and others we don't know about,and i don't think they sit around in aprons,drink beer and talk about the weather.

there was a dude called Pavel Corut;during the communist era he was a very high ranking officer in the counter-espionage and paranormal research of the romanian intelligence.after the revolution,they changed the whole intelligence apparatus,so he started writing "sci-fi" books about parapsichological wars among different agencies.recently it appears his sci-fi was not fiction at all.he had three wives,one died of radiation exposure,from a radioactive thingie they found in a wall in their home,the other just screamed and died.at the autopsy they found all her internal organs finely sliced.he has a big luxurious house,but lives at different monasterys in the mountains,appears from time to time on some TV shows,making "sci-fi" declarations and exposing a couple of important people,then disapears again.
also,some old dude appeared on an obscure TV channel last week,claiming he has been part of a "parapsichological" unit,operating in the mountains during the communist times with great and secretly aknowleged success.he said he decided to speak because there have been several atempts at his life in the recent past.he shown some pictures and made some clames about a colleague of his travelling through time and space,some of them similar to those of P.Corut.he also said he'll come every week and speak all he knows.this week he couldn't be found.maybe he was just a hoax.or maybe not.

am i paranoid?probably.but consider these things:

1.why wouldn't secret powerful (not just rich,but truly powerful) people exist?
2.if they do,how could we know about them?
3.are we aware of the current level of technology?presuming there are people that have found out how to control time,space,weather,memory and personality of others,defy death, and so on,why would they tell the world,when such things bring immense power?
4.why would these immune people want to act in broad daylight?

some of you may find these ideeas of mine ridiculous.why?because they can't be,or because you just can't belive it?

yeah,sorry for the wall of text.

 

not ridiculous at all.

lets not forget the media is owned by a very few corporations.

 

Actually, "The Media" is a little more complex than that.

 

not really

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4987716.stm

 

Thread killer, lmao

 

Hardly. That video remains essentially the same as its earlier truncated version released by the Pentagon. No accounting still of the videos from both the petrol station and hotel directly opposite the Pentagon and within the flight of whatever it was that hit the wall.

This is media management update at its finest and anyone exercising even the tiniest amount of critical rationale will note that the object appearing for a laughably brief moment is in no way commensurate with the size of a 757 passenger airliner.

Regardless of the all too apparent non-investigatory acceptance by the BBC of this tidbit as some monumental disproval, the far more detailed reviews of the physical evidence have already long dismissed any possibility of a 757, let alone one flown by a man whose flight instructors are on record as avowing to his inability to fly so much as a fixed wing single engine training craft.

The video here does actually go further to confirming all that the public investigation has long contended, given the direct horizontal approach of the object at near ground scraping height (impossible for a 757 travelling at some 400-500 mph).

Let the naysayer continue to deny the obvious inside planning and execution by those most capable and most repeatedly shown to be wanton liars. Such desperation to believe the explanation made by such untrustworthy sources (and their enablers) at this point can only be diagnosed as willful self deception.

 

One:

It is simple people can't believe it because they won't believe it. We are reared to scapegoat rather than place the responsibility where it belongs and in a fight for justice it is everyone's responsibility.

Two:

For the last decade and half we have been conditioned by the media and it's puppetmasters to expect something like this. LA Riots, Waco, OK City and the original WTC attacks. It has been a force to move the police state into peoples minds w/o them raising a fuss.

It has been proven that if you sit a kid in front of a tv their mind becomes mush. Their minds cannot comprehend the fast moving edits because life doesn't work like that. In theory the same applies here. With a constant bombardment of horrific imagery and the ever growing presence of military and police officials people will slowly accept this as a "normal" way of life for the sake of our "security".

 

Ever read "1984" by George Orwell...? If not do, if you did and don't understand why... do it again...

 

Other video may be released. It would be good if they released all of it.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/05/16/pentagon.video/index.html

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Sources said in 2002 that the FBI confiscated a hotel security camera video that showed the attack on the Pentagon. It's not known if that tape is being released.

Judicial Watch is "a conservative, non-partisan educational foundation, promotes transparency, accountability and integrity in government, politics and the law," according to its Web site.

The group filed a lawsuit this year, arguing that there was "no legal basis" for the Pentagon's refusal to release the tape.

The video requested by Judicial Watch was taken from security cameras at the Pentagon, the Sheraton National Hotel, the Nexcomm/Citgo gas station, and Virginia Department of Transportation traffic cameras.

Jill Farrell, Judicial Watch's director of media affairs, said she would not know which video will be released "until we see it."
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The 911 conspiracy thing has become a cult gathering with loose change as its bible. Some still don't believe commercial aircraft hit the towers, claiming it was holography, govt mind control, or disguised military jets. So release of Pentagon video, while good, won't change everyone's mind, even though a hundred witnesses saw flight 77 hit the Pentagon.

It will be argued by people who claim to 'know their sizes' and college kids entertaining themselves making conspiracy films that the video was faked; or that the plane was a military jet camoflaged as a commercial aircraft; or that the commercial plane 'disappeared somewhere'; or that the wreckage was planted by government agents; or that the govt vaporized 77 at the last instant and hit the Pentagon with a missile. Some of the claims are so wild that they are unfalsifiable.

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Hundreds of witnesses is a claim that has again never been established just as much as countless witnesses - who acknowledged seeing another object of smaller proportions "making a whoooosh" sound entirely inconsistent with the volume of a major airliner - has been duly suppressed.

Once again shaggie, despite your repeated and desperate expression of need to avoid recognising the utter implausibility of an avowedly inept pilot performing an aerial 270 degree maneuvre to hit the least populated side of the Pentagon (at a height which further highly trained military and commercial pilots have gone on record as saying would be impossible), one day youll have to learn to separate fact from fiction.

Oh and of course its only a "conspiracy" theory to the mentally slothful if the much more plausible, agenda driven and capable intelligence/defence establishment is implicated. Blame it on a rather large group of laughably incapable Muslims and no amount of necessary secret planning for such militarily precise multiple attacks in the most heavily protected airspace in the world can be labelled a "conspiracy theory".

Apparently the "official explanation" cult with the 911 Commission whitewash as its Bible has a much greater following. But as the Bible says "broad is the road that leads to destruction and many are those who travel upon it".

Your critical rationale score remains dismally below par, shaggie.

 

The conspiracy advocates typically don't give any evidence of their claims. Their arguments are along the lines of 'I know my sizes and the hole was too small' or vague references to fictitious witnesses who were supposedly suppressed. Conspiracy advocates always have the upper hand in a way, since they can always come up with more claims that are increasing fringe to the point that they can't be proven or disproven. Claims of suppressed witnesses is such an example.

The fact that a fringe theory is in line with someone's political agenda doesn't make it any more plausible.

People who claim to have been there and think the hole was too small can argue with these hundred witnesses who were really there and saw the aircraft.

http://eric.bart.free.fr/iwpb/witness.html

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No, only the "official" conspiracy theorists fail to acknowledge the mountains of extensively investigated public evidence presented over the past 5 years. Instead they race to to any equally "official" proclamation and tortured post-facto theorisation from institutes heavily dependent on Federal Grant monies and professors who subsequently are elevated to Federal Task Forces for their defences of the physically and historically unprecedented collapses of structures.

Instead they make self excusatory posts for their willful deference to the glaringly implausible, coincidence-ridden claims of their beloved authority figures such as we have twice now above.

They do not bother to reflect for even one moment that countless eyewitness accounts of the Pentagon attack, which suggested anything other than the impossible 757 scenario, were indeed suppressed (that is to say ignored in every repeated mainstream media report on the matter from 911 to this day), but resort to a roster of talking points crafted for their intellectually complacent craniums by the same Pentagon PR teams (OSP) established by this administration to keep them happily in line with the latest "Cold War" paradigm for renewed US expansionism. That is not even mentioning the numerous gag orders placed upon rescue operators and others who briefly dared voice accusations of high-level fraud and coverup.

Don't bother doing an ounce of legwork in assessing who these alleged "hundreds" (actual count approx 110) who "claim" to have seen the full event from Flight sighting to impact, that is clearly too much to ask the mentally complacent to do...

http://911review.org/Wiki/PentagonAttackWitnessesBlast.shtml

Keep dancing side to side, shaggie. you have become a fine adept of the PB school of "I refuse to see the truth that is plain to see".

 

The 911 conspiracy movement is the latest craze in a long list. We've had similar ones, such as the groups who claimed there were anomalies in the events surrounding the funeral of Elvis and claimed therefore that he was still alive. Then there was the Apollo hoax theorists who claimed we never went to the Moon based on what they thought were anomalies in the Moon missions (the film would have melted, the hole was too small, etc). The Face On Mars group was yet another, claiming the government was hiding information about the face supposedly being made by aliens (and the real witnesses were being suppressed). Then there was the 'hypodermic needle in the Pepsi can' craze, where everyone claimed they had found a needle in the Pepsi can. Let's not forget Swiftboat Veterens for Truth who claimed Kerry was on the wrong side of the river in Vietnam. And the latest 'truth' movement, 911 Scholars for Truth led by the crew of Griffin, Wood, Reynolds, and others.

All of these enjoyed their peaks, and most peaked many years after the initiating event. People made their money off of them with books, videos, and theatre presentations. Others derived notoriety from them which gratified their egos. Others gained satisfaction by using them to bash other groups they didn't like and to promote their own agenda. All of them eventually died as reality eventually set in and people realized that the crazes had no foundation.

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That 911review link did nothing but call all the witnesses a bunch of liars.

I'm not calling people liars, just asking for a foundation to the conspiracy claims.

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