I realized why I never visit here anymore

well said,

the only right a person has to a wrong opinion is to learn their lesson.

and i guess we could all be nice and forgive people and their mistakes.

 

Well if there is any sort of authoritive power which ultimatley has the position on what is right and what is wrong, then I dont think we can ever have either right or wrong opinions, only opinions themselves for whatever they are worth (which isnt much really). Im guessing that whenever we have an opinion born out of ego, we are collectivley 'wrong'. Even if we have a right opinion, it would only further to align us with truth, or God, whatever you understand the universal truth to be. So I think it's always learning a lesson, even if we have a right opinion. Even when we teach, we learn, and when we learn, we teach, this cant be avoided.
But forgiveness is something I tend to think of as seperation. I dont think there really is any purpose in forgiveness because it comes from a seperative mentality. I mean of course we all do it, no matter who we are, Im just saying that to align the mind with truth and therefor right, or proper behaviour, forgiveness must become a thing to lose and acceptance should take its place. You only need to forgive if you allow someone else to wrong you, whereas to accept would be to continuously teach and learn at the same time, how to behave properly, or to coincide with truth.
I hope that makes sense I have a massive migraine right now and Im not all together with my thoughts :tongue:

 

it isn't that I am bound by my opinions.

it would be more accurate to say that I'm lacking any opinions at all. I've become so objective that I see both sides of anything. Of course I choose one, but I still KNOW that the opposing opinion is the correct one, as is the one that I have chosen.

 

what I mean neo is that I suspect you are in a positive transitional period, a big part of which is becoming opinionless- a process of releasing your identity attachments and placing no value on circumstances only observing them and accepting them as they are. you once had more allegiance to your opinions, and it is that time I refer to when I say you were bound. but a truer knowledge and and harmony come by dismissing them, whether or not it was deliberate.

I personally think you are in a positive state of flux, but I wouldn't expect you to label it as positive since you're in a state absent of value judgements

 

accept that people make mistakes and forgive them when they do. not all words can i find a good reason to use in my vocabulary but acceptance and forgiveness make sense to me and should both have a place in our language as far as i am concerned.

lets not forget that a mistake is not something that should be tolerated unless the person is genuine in their attempts to understand and learn their lesson - the person should make it clear that they do not want to repeat their mistake before they are forgiven. if a person does not take responsibility for their actions, does not make attempts to learn from their mistakes as they continue to make the same mistakes over and over and the mistakes directly effect you in a negative way you should, if you are a friend - distance yourself and find another friend, if you work with them, do your best to get them fired, accepting them as people with rights while you do this.

 

Yea I feel that this make's sense, because only we can truly teach ourselves, and what WE do as a friend in this kind of situation can aid them, by showing a new approach, wether it's distancing ourselves from them, or guiding by silent example and waiting as a friend for the person to come around.
I dont know about getting someone fired though, I mean of course it depends on the level of severity concerning the negative action the person dealt.
I was going to suggest, that we should maybe only defend ourselves by acting back when we are immediatley threatened, and that possibly the best action is every other situation where any sign of immediate threat is gone is to distance ourself from the person?
I mean because if we scheme to do something to someone, even if it's teaching a lesson, we are causing a fragmented form of teaching, and that kind of teaching can not be unconditional love but rather emotional, egocentric love. I feel that my best lessons in life were brought on by expecting repremandation for something negative I had done to somebody, and instead receiving a sort of 'silent treatment' and being left alone to work out my own problems mentally. Of course if someone is coming at you with a blade your going to punch them or at least try and grab the knife. But if someone goes to hurt you in any non physical way, isnt reacting with a life changing (negativley to the person, however temporary) action such as getting them fired or whatever, showing that you allowed yourself to be hurt, and therefor an action not based out of love but rather fear? Or anger?
Much easier said than done of course, we're not yet Christ like or Buddha like etc and even Christ had His moment's of snapping and lashing out on people.
Well, just a thought
Namaste

 

if a person continues to make mistakes that effect me in a negative way at work as they make no attempt to correct the issue i would most definitely get them fired, which should be as easy as reporting them to a supervisor. that is how it works, in canada you get 3 written warnings and if you still can not learn your lesson you are fired.


if you allow them to continue to make that same mistake over and over as they fail to take responsibility, what message are you sending to the rest of the staff?

 

there is no such thing as "wrong opinions". it's all relative. your belief (or opinion) during that moment in time is exclusively "true" to yourself, regardless if others agree with it or not. we all have a right to an opinion.

"mistake" is a far better word to use within the context of your 'learn their lesson" opinion...

but then again, that's just my opinion (wink, wink).

 

so if you were to believe that your dick would grow back if it was cut off there would be nothing wrong with this opinion? wouldnt you have to learn the hard way as you realize you were indeed WRONG?

 

ouch...

 

putting your subversive sexual hostility towards my dick aside 3XI...

an opinion is an opinion... regardless of who shares it or not.

it doesn't require your judgements to validate it. it just IS.

so kindly leave the "poor little opinion" alone. afterall, it just wants to be an opinion, like all of the other opinions.

(and stop thinking about my dick).

 

that isn't an opinion, that's a belief.