I have experienced life in the 4th Dimension

lol, I like your new signature picture.

 

calling an entire fraim of reference a single dimension is sloppy thinking.

time as we experience it, being possibly the vector of such a fraim of reference, is, in our cartesian space fraim of reference, "the true 4th dimension".

there are potentially infinite 'dimensions' in the sense that everything that can be measured is in that sense a 'dimension', usually refered to as a peramiter, to avoid the obvious confusion with cartesian coordinates.

you can't experience a dimension, only measure it. you can however navigate a fraime of reference and experience many things about which you need not know anything in order to do so.

this latter has created the opportunity for the rise of beliefs of all sorts. any or all of which COULD be perfectly valid, though none of them can be KNOWN to be.

the bottem line of mumbo jumbo, is that it really isn't very honest, not as long as a belief claims to anything more tangable then a way of experiencing.

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Are you saying that each moment, event, and experience is a dimension of its own, and that it can only be observed thus never be fully understood for what it truly is?

 

i think dimension is an apt term. i would say you're talking about perspective. but now we're getting into semantics, and we know where that leads - unnecessary divisiveness.

 

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there shall be a divisiveness , it's ok . "mumbo jumbo" may say the r3asoned man . "it is" say the experiencer with a philosophy of feeling and careful discernment . reason is certainly not disreguarded . nor is it the time for dim4 to be proved or dispproved - just time to declare passionately and sensibly a NO to catagorical disapproval . no repression .

let us eat light .
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Shortly after my 'otherdimensional' death experience, the first ever book about spirituality i came across was Barbara Anne Brennans book 'Hands of light' in which she describes layers of the aura, chakras and all that kinda stuff in terms of 'levels of being' ... and this is how i've come to see 'dimensions' ...as levels of being. It's a well known book but for those who havn't read it, it may help in understanding dimensions and how they relate to us.
A link with some exerpts from the book:
http://freespirits.chosenones.net/showthread.php?p=58203

Mmm ... that wasn't such a great link. It took me ages to find this one ... mutch better. Just an introduction to things we don't usually see. Interestingly in an interview with her i watched she says that her ability to percieve these layers of the aura is not due to a 'sixth sense' as such but an expansion of our normal five senses.
http://www.bearcy.com/handsoflight1.html

 

liquid light . sure it's wide open whatever is to be thought about the nature of light (even liquidly). i think i've seen dim4 , and also am supposing things of that reality are made of light . that light takes on form and has the sense of geometricly fashioned physical . there could be new technology made of this kind of matter ... this dark matter ? ya , the shapes i saw are black as black . so the light-thing is holding it's shape and not beaming into the eye in the usual way . the stuff just floats around like jellyfish . i feel i might want to eat this light .

living in the kind shine
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When i think of light, i think of the sun ...obviously. I'm no physicist but i'm aware that light has mass, and i think of different wavelengths of light, ... the wavelengths that are visible to the eye and those that are not.
My 'otherdimensional' experience was kinda like 'dual vision' .... although i said i was 'out of body', i didn't mean that in a 'on the ceiling looking down at my body' type thing but rather i felt 'on top of my head' with a conciousness that was free to roam. I could still see all the physical objects in the room so i'm aware i was still looking through my two eyes ... yet i was also seeing the auras around everything and could see through or into physical objects if it was my intention to. I understand that my third eye was opened which was why i could see all that stuff. So i came to the understanding that certain wavelengths were visible to the corporeal eyes and certain wavelengths visible to the third eye, so using both types of vision, everything was there ... overlapping, and the focal point for my awareness was on top of my head.
However information about things 'non visible' also came to me and i can only best describe the way i viewed this information as having something akin to a digital 'head up display' a few inches in front of my eyes ... like an invisible monitor screen on which i could view information. Some of the more visionary/symbolic images were viewed in this way and also more literal information, for instance for what seemed a few moments i was looking at molecular structures and physical/mathematical equations on this 'screen' just as if i were reading from the page of a book ... i'm not sure what the molecular structures were actually of, but i do remember carbon and hydrogen atoms as components ... so maybe something organic?
One peculiar thing i saw which i've never read about or heard anyone mention ... imagine physical space filled with a grid/matrix deliniated by lines of light creating 'boxes' ... and in the middle of each box was a swirling, misty vortex of energy ... on it's side. The vortexes were moving clockwise if i remember correctly.
Anyway i wonder if 'visible to the eyes' wavelengths of light have mass, and 'non-visible to the eyes' wavelengths have less mass?

... like i said i'm no physicist


- Yeah i also wonder about 'liquidy light'? I took the name from a book i read about kundalini years ago called 'The liquid light of sex' and i just liked it ... it has a ring to it, but humans are mostly water, and i wonder if water is indeed a wierd type of light.Water seems just as fundamental to life as light does ...and that gets me thinking about the vast space between atoms... and is light mass? or does it just carry mass? Imagine the sun slowly burning up and giving off it's mass and radiation.

 

While tripping on Salvia, and coming off of it, I saw "through." And I saw more. More than 4-dimensions, but I definitely saw 4-d while coming down. I have to go, but this is ironic. Or cosmic.

I think...you're crazy?

 

Salvia is the only mind altering drug apart from sugar, coffee, cigarettes, alcohol and pot (jeez thats a long list!) that i would consider trying. From what i've read and seen, it seems very gentle on our bodies and minds, and the people in South America who chew and smoke it seem a very happy and joyous bunch.

 

Salvia Divinorum is probably the 3rd most powerful psychotropic drug on the planet, with Ayahuasca and DMT being the 2nd and 1st, respectively. If you're only familiarized with Marijuana, Salvia would NOT be the next logical choice in terms of intensity of experience. If you do end up pursuing a more immersive mind-alteration experience, I'd recommend experimenting with Psilocybin, LSD, or Mescaline first.

Travis

 

Thanks for the warning. I've seen some utube clips of people smoking probably way more than they need to and intensity of the experience seems to vary greatly and from what i've seen i think this largely depends on dosage. I'm only interested in a mild experience but even then i ain't gonna go out looking for it ... but if some turns up ever i'd like to try it perhaps.
It's been over a decade since i did anything other than marijuana. Before then i'd tried LSD a couple of times, Ecstacy a few times and having psilocybin growing on my doorstep ... i did that quite a few times but never huge doses like some, in fact the last time i took liberty caps i ate just 8 of them (freshly picked) and had a very pleasant time.
From the clips i've seen it seems to me that salvia is something a little different. However, like i said, it doesn't really matter if i do or don't.

 

QUOTE=liquidlight ... imagine physical space filled with a grid/matrix deliniated by lines of light creating 'boxes' ... and in the middle of each box was a swirling, misty vortex of energy ... on it's side. The vortexes were moving clockwise if i remember correctly.

this is a bit similar to a description given by Gib . his post is the first one of Salvia Experience (sticky) in the salvia sub-forum of psychedelics . your view seems much more defining - less hallucinatory .

 

So for a while now i have been dreaming about a certain sign, and then yesterday when i was tripping on dxm, i saw it too, now its all i can think about. It looks like this

http://peecee.dk/upload/download/106604

 

Ayahuasca is DMT but it doesnt effect you as strongly cause you drink it. Cannabis is much better than salvia, all it does is make you feel stranger than you ever felt and thats it. Maybe some people trip on it but ive never met them.

 

That's an unfortunately narrow-minded outlook. Salvia has dramatically different effects on different people, and when approached with the correct intentions (i.e. not just another way to "get wasted") more effectively reveals the malleability of our realities than does Marijuana.

Travis

 

Yeah i wanna get to grips with my ego again. Nice one Zilla, you've really got a handle on this one methinks!
This is about balance... of maintaining the truth of inner and outer.

Can we break the mould of what an awakened person is 'supposed to be like'? I do feel in these accelerated days that a certain ammount of 'mould breaking' is in order.
It seems that over the years of my life the only person that ever wanted me to be any other way than i am, is myself. ....just pointless, perfection seeking, self criticism. Only one other person EVER wanted me to change and i ended up telling them to take me as i am or not at all.... and that was the one blessed moment in my life i took myself as i was. Yeah, that was something to push against.
So when you look in the mirror at your reflection, what are you gonna say to yourself?

 

I believe "dimension" is the wrong term, density seems to fit much better.

There's a 4th and 5th density, which the earth is moving towards as we speak.

There are currently 5 people on earth who fluctuate between these densities on a daily basis, most are children/young adults.

 

dimmension is appropriate in a language of geometry . this is how we see it , the dim4 , in light and geometry . how to see yourself in the mirror ? the light you see by has to be the light you give . what then do you say ... this is life light . in dim4 style it enlightens the space and this space is dim1 or just a single dimension . hey , a single dimension reality can be just as boggling as four ? by your own actual bio-light you may see dim4 . we call it spiritual ... um... to create light ...and is a sort of peaceful open free giving . if you do it , expect others to notice and maybe even stare happily .


yes , i feel we are approaching a new understanding of space and , too , perhaps it is of some long cycle in the nature of space and matter . if such a cycle is several million years long , we as human would not remember it happening . then too , some say it is an angel right now intersecting with earth life that brings us this understanding . anyway to me it seems it's going to touch all of life . look out .

 

Oh yes! ... and indeed the love you feel is the love you give.


A spritual councellor i respect alot, said to me (about the spiritualisation of matter) " The spaces between the atoms is expanding to hold more light."