I have experienced life in the 4th Dimension

i've experienced something similar on LSD and DMT and even mushrooms. just a sinking of my physical form into cosmic oneness and disconnecting completely with my ego and losing my normal view of physical reality and any concept of time/space. kurt vonnegut described being in the fourth dimension as existing in every moment at once. from this perspective you can focus on whatever you wish. but humans live in the moment... tunnel vision. is it a blessing or a curse?

 

actually i've experienced forms of it on marijuana and during meditation (sober)

 

"No, your experience isn't valid because it's just an effect of chemicals inside your brain!" - Family Guy generation.

 

i saw the Buddhist symbol for interconnectedness everywhere when on acid. i would have thought more of it except the fact that it was neon lime green. Whats that about, i knew what it was since im Buddhist but i dont know if that was the perfect definition of a hallucination or not.

 

i saw the word perfection flashing across my eyeballs everywhere when i was on acid. that was before i really understood what om meant.

 

Actually this is not the case. The experience IS valid because your conciousness still has to take the journey of 'suspending disbelief' ...drugs or no drugs. This is why not everyone who takes drugs has such experiences ...only a few (compared to the ammount of people on this planet who actually take drugs).
If someone had an experience of the 4th dimension after eating 10 cream buns, would you blame it on the cream buns? I think some people probably would.
I had a death experience years ago on ecstacy and at the point of orgasm and i experienced being my 'true self'... boundless and unrestrained i steeped through the veil ... in fact i realised there was no veil ...that there was no 'other side'. Everything was one. I experienced not just the 4th dimension, but ALL dimensions (or at least alot of them). I was pure conciousness living in a multidimensional world.
But this wasn't simply all because i took a pill that night. I had been unconciously working towards that experience for years ... my whole life probably ( i know this because i practically drew a picture of it years beforehand when i was 18), but in particular i had been semi -conciously working towards it for the previous 2 years ...it was slowly coming into conciousness.
Now you may ask, "Would i have had that experience if i hadn't taken E that night?."
Well, i don't know. Probably not. All i really needed to do was die, which is quite easy really, but concious dying takes readyness, .. a readyness to let go of all those attatchments which were your percieved life. I look upon taking E that night as 'dutch courage' ... i had already done most of the work of letting go and had already realised that life wasn't what it seemed, but like a parachute jump, i needed a shove ... Does the fact that someone gave you a shove negate your parachute jump? No it doesn't.
Drugs can affect your mind and it's thinking and perceptions but cannot affect pure conciousness. In stepping out of my mind and out of the rigid structure of physical form, i stepped into pure conciousness where the E no longer affected anything. So the E was not the cause but the means (partially .. along with lots of inner work).
Everyones' path is different, with it's own very personal difficulties to overcome and sometimes ... occasionally in certain circumstances, drugs are necessary. It's valid. Everything is valid.

 

Let me tell ya, kids...Drugs fuck with your brain. That's why they are drugs. In most cases, their effect has been well-studied. The physiological changes they cause have been well-documented. If you fuck with your brain, of course your subjective view of reality is affected. All sorts of things can come of it, 'cause your brain is a big place and lots of things can happen, and you get to watch from inside there.

Does that completely invalidate your experience? No. But to think that 1: You know the "true" state of reality and 2: you know it because you saw a bunch of crazy things on drugs is a far cry from reasonable.

 

I'll say this about drugs. They're neither good or bad, just ... problematic. They can often be harmful but sometimes beneficial. There are so many variables to consider, but in the main, stay away from them if you can.

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"But to think that 1: You know the "true" state of reality and 2: you know it because you saw a bunch of crazy things on drugs is a far cry from reasonable."

And Freakersoup, i repeat, i went out of body and beyond form ...and hence, beyond the drug experience.

 

Ok. But how did you experience that? How did you sense what was happening? How do you remember it? How did you interpret the experience as it was happening?

I'm going to propose that everything that you think happened there that was out of the ordinary only seemed to happen because of the drug's affect on your brain. I think that you didn't leave your body and form, but because of the strange things going on in your brain, you felt as if you did, and became convinced that you did.

 

well firstly i don't want to become a willing participant to your scrutiny so i shall not answer precisely, but will say that firstly, i wasn't seeking any 'spiritual experience' ...at the time i had no knowledge that such things even existed. I had been traumatised by the breakup of a relationship 2 years earlier and had been desparately trying to make sense of it, eventually a friend suggested i try E because it had been known to help people. So i was using it in an attempt to work things out psychologically, and it did indeed seem to help. I used it 3 times over a couple of months in kind of 'self healing' sessions with myself... the last time involving the experience i have described. Any 'intellectual' knowledge of spiritual and psychological matters came afterwards from reading books and talking to people. In hindsight i see my lack of 'concious' knowledge of such things as a blessing because i was purely working from my own perception and intuition, and also in hindsight i see that even before taking any E, i had become aware of what ego was (this 'falseness' as i saw it) and my heart centre had already opened and i was feeling a tangible warmth constantly in my solar plexus and heart area, and indeed impartial love and understanding and such awareness was already happening within me. One way of putting it is that the trauma i experienced had awakened my kundalini and i was on an inward journey to find answers.
My only outward confirmation of the experience of that last night on E is from reading and talking to people. The different levels of the aura and levels of being i have since read about correspond exactly to things (light and spiritual forms) i saw within the experience, also the experience of 'internal vision' which has already been described in this thread of being able to look through and inside things, ... to look at things (in my case) at a cellular or atomic level and simply recieve information about it, the feeling that my conciousness could go whereever it wanted or needed to simply by intention ... but it wasn't like moving or traveling, more like already being there or 'bending space'. And finally the really 'holy' stuff ... the light that spoke to me, and the imagery (which i shall not go into) surrounding that particular pert of the experience.
As far as interpreting the experience ... like i already said, i had no pre existing yardstick or intellectual knowledge with which to interpret with ... it was more like just watching it as it unfolded. The more remarkable aspect for me however, was the feeling that 'this is my true state' and 'i've been here before' ... like a distant buried thing that i'd forgotten and just found again without even actively looking for it.

...analyse away!

 

I would also say that it is not helpful to openly doubt the experiences of another, ...this you can only do with yourself. In my view, if one reads something about the proposed experiences of another, one can talk about it and ask questions for ones own information but when it comes to judgement on the issue, publicly or openly, either let it go or keep it to yourself.
I only say this because nobody has actually ever doubted or judged this particular experience of mine before ... no hard feelings or anything, but i do think the whole issue of drugs being a factor (what about the orgasm?) in experiences of this sort is a VERY worthy debate. You can't 'take them with you' after all.

I'll tell you what actually happened now that i've had 12 years to learn and think on it; I let go right at the last moment.

 

How do we experience the human experience, and interpret the world beyond us? The human mind does this with chemicals, electricity, and whatnot. Change the chemicals, change the experience, and change what can and cannot be seen and known - You can say that our brains CONVINCES us of the things around us to be real, just as easily as saying drugs CONVINCES you of things that aren't there. Just because everyone is undergoing the same human experience, does not make that experience more valid. You are just appealing to the majority when this is said.

Hey, listen, you can say that our brains is just an 'effect' of trillions of different effects. Why is one effect more important than another; that is too subjective to even say. It's a very REAL experience, just like our very REAL human experience, simple as that, and to mark it off as 'merely an effect' is pretty irrational; I really don't know how you can believe that when you know what science is saying about the human mind - That choice is just an illusion brought about by chaos. When you take drugs, all that you accomplish is reorganizing the chaos and thus your human experience by changing your perception, and perception is reality in many senses.

I don't even understand what people mean when they say that it's "just an effect"; it really isn't reasonable at all to say that.

And yes, those drugs really are well documented, but also factor in how little we know about our own brain and the universe itself. Many prominent neuroscientists don't think that this is just "your brain fucking up". Just read up on Albert Hoffman, and read up on what brilliant minds already think about on this matter. What you see aren't hallucinations, and to call it that is way too presumptuous. "You see things for what it really is" - Albert Hoffman. Please explain how people can be in a state of transcendence, and seeing the world without time? What people experience does not break current laws of physics, ask any scientist. So why mark off what they are experiencing as an hallucination brought on by drugs? So what if drugs helps brings this about, changing your mind would open or close certain abilities. You can say that it's just a false memory, but really... what exactly is a false memory when you consider the possibility that everything may be a 'false memory'.

The whole: "It's just an effect of the drug" argument is so worn out and tired, and it really doesn't make any sense, honestly.

And yes, drugs can't really take you to a better understanding of reality if you remain skeptical; it's just how it works. You can't reach any higher level understanding without some personal ambition to become more open minded and to realize that such things are possible, regardless of drugs or not.


"'this is my true state' and 'i've been here before'"

I have had that feeling before - It makes all knowledgeable pursuits look like a joke. I look like a joke, everything around me looks like a joke.

Btw, sorry if I came off a little harsh; I am just very passionate about these types of matters. I can't just stand by and allow people to invalidate experiences that has the possibility of answering our questions of: Why we are here and who we are; Isn't that pretty much the basis of all sciences? Instead of tossing these experiences aside, we should really look into them with an open mind. Don't be so cynical and skeptical.

Science now a days considers the most cynical explanation to be the correct explanation.

Also, you have to consider how many poo poo these experiences without even trying these drugs to see for themselves. And many that do test these drugs on themselves, go into with presuppositions as to what they should continue to think AFTERWARDS. In other words, they go into it, ignore the experience for what it was, then later say that it was just craziness, thus saving face. And that's exactly what this type of skepticism is all about, protecting your ego. Isn't one of the effects to these types of drugs, ego-loss? So it only makes sense to say that accepting these experiences for what it is takes an inner acceptance, which is exactly what most people are saying about any type of spiritual journey or whatnot. Drugs can't teach you to open up your own mind, but they certainly can help, if you allow it to. No one, or no thing, can change the way you think and see the world; only you can do that. And a friend of mine once said, "If you can't change your mind, then you probably don't have one".

 

Also consider how many of these chemicals are ALREADY a part of our brains; It exists in our brains NATURALLY. The same chemicals that gets you high with weed, already exists in your brain. The chemicals to cause you to trip on acid, already exists in your brain. The same chemicals in DMT, ALREADY EXISTS IN YOUR BRAIN, naturally. The brain just regulates these chemicals and this regulation changes the experience, and one experience isn't necessarily more or less real than another; it just is.


We all have a natural ability to undergo a psychedelic experience at any moment in time. Just look into schizophrenia, and when you can try to validate what these people are seeing, without writing it off as unreal, then it's possible for you to expand your mind.

 

The shift in conciousness as orgasm subsided was like going into trance and i approached that orgasm with the words 'just love' on my lips, like a mantra. I was ready to 'do it' ....? Out of the speedy, highly intuitive and emotional state of the ecstacy (E) through the tremendously joyous and freeing overwhelmingly emotional orgasm and into bliss and merging with and becoming love, and then into pure totaly present and serene awareness, a 'fully concious presence of spirit'.
To be honest i don't really know exactly what i did or how i did it but it was what i'd been trying to do my whole life. The two years prior to that time were hellishly traumatic and emotional but also very healing and freeing as my ego simply buckled and fell down. I'd got to that point where there was an 'opportunity' in my life to totally renew myself. Through my unconcious desire to be with love, the time had finally come and i saw the gap and it involved letting go of everything for love. Just everything, and it felt like dying. And so for a few moments i let go of myself and the world and experienced for me ... this 'full presense of spirit' and of being 'with love'. It was 'myself' and 'home'.
... and then i came back into awareness of my body realising then that i'd been parylised fot the duration and my body ached like hell. And so life goes on.

Yeah there's 'something about' drugs and human conciousness, i've been reading recently about the human 'cannabinoid system' whereby we produce 'endo-cannabinoids' in our bodys through the breakdown of fatty acids in our tissues. These endo cannabinoids help to 'regulate and balance' literally every system in our bodies functioning, ... respiratory, circulatory, endocrine and also regulates things like neurotransmitters, dopeamine, serotonin ect, affecting our mood. I've come to see taking marijuana as a bit like a 'depot injection' ... like a large dose of cannabinoids to last us a while because they too are stored in our tissues and take 3 weeks or so to dissolve. So i find this 'inner cannabinoid', 'outer cannabinoid'(plant) thing interesting where bodily deficiencys and dependencys possibly take take place.

 

a week or so ago i had a geometric dream - in bright colors , four dimensions . yes , it's possible to think 4d .


focus vibrations , searching for the feeling of power

 

Like I said before, I actually DID things in the 4th dimension, so I KNOW it was not an hallucination, whether you believe me or not doesn't matter, I know, and that's enough for me.

 

This science exists, and it is called Transpersonal Psychology. I'm a psychology major minoring in philosophy and this is what I plan to do with my education.

 

Actually, the active chemical in marijuana, THC, does not exist naturally in the human brain. However, THC is very similar to the neurotransmitter Anandamine, and therefore can activate the anandamine receptors. Same with LSD, it does not exist in your brain, but it is extremely close to the neurotransmitter serotonin, and therefore can act upon serotonin receptors.

You're right about DMT though, that does already exist in the brain as a natural neurotransmitter.

Not to say that the chemicals that do not already exist in the brain are invalid or that they shouldn't be in the brain. Look at it from an evvolutionary standpoint. We have evolved to perceive the world around us in a way that is conducive to our physical survival. The only reasons that natural pseudoneurotransmitters like THC, LSD, Psilocybin, et al. haven't been incorporated into our natural metabolism is that they would not provide a physical edge or help animals with it produce more offspring. Therefore, they would not be incorporated into a species gene pool through natural selection. This doesn't mean that they aren't useful, only that they aren't useful for winning in the game of natural selection. Which makes you wonder about DMT. Why would we evolve a chemical in our brains which is normally only released in the moments before sure death? There's no evolutionary advantage in that. Was it incorporated into our metabolism by some other force than natural selection? Hmmm...

 

I wouldn't exactly call cannabis a 'performance enhancing' drug anyway.

 

Do we not have thc receptors in our brain? Atleast our brain is configured to receive thc...

The way ecstasy works is by using the serotonin in your brain, using your own chemicals to get you high.